Beats & Measures Grid – Audacity 3.4.1

I updated specifically because the new Beats & Measures Grid looks interesting, but where is the documentation? I can’t find any. I had to look at a YouTube video just to figure out how to turn it on!

I wanted to cut out some measures from an existing track, something I do from time to time when a track doesn’t have the desired repetitive phrasing. I figured having a grid structured on measures would be a useful aid, but it now seems it is only useful for originating a track, not for modifying an existing one. When I tried to alter the tempo setting for the grid, to get the grid in sync with the imported track, it time-stretched the track with the grid. That’s not what I need! I ended up not using the grid at all, just as I have done in the past.

What I need is to be able to stretch and shift the grid independently of the track, or at least the option to do that during some kind of set-up phase. This facility might already exist, but without instructions I have no idea how to go about it.

How about This page@
https://manual.audacityteam.org/man/timeline.html

Which is accessed by clicking on the Timeline in the imagemap on the front page og the Manual.

And the page is linked to from many other pages in the manual.

In particular this page:
https://alphamanual.audacityteam.org/man/Recording

and this page:
https://alphamanual.audacityteam.org/man/Toolbars_Overview

I will consider adding a Beats and Measures entry on the How To Use Audacity page of the Manual.

I’ll also consider adding an enhancement request for a context menu for the Time Signature toolbar for a toggle between Beats and Measures and the default Minutes and Seconds.

Peter

Enabling music view - Audacity Support as well

What I need is to be able to stretch and shift the grid independently of the track, or at least the option to do that during some kind of set-up phase. This facility might already exist, but without instructions I have no idea how to go about it.

This does not exist yet, but we’re working on it.

OK so I’ve updated the alpha manual for the upcoming 3.4.2 release:

Peter

I also added a link on the Timeline page to the Support site with more detail that @LWinterberg posted above

Peter

And I have added this Enhancement Request for Muse’s consideration:

Peter

Thanks for all replies, it seems I’ve provided useful feedback.

That’s as may be, but as I didn’t know to look at “timeline”… It would be helpful to have an index, and as the online help notes there is no built-in search. I certainly didn’t come up with that page with a Google search.

Those links are of no use at all – they require a login.

Again, not particularly useful unless there is a signpost to help find it. What I’m hearing is people who already know their way around not realising how difficult it is for somebody less familiar with it to find what they need.

That looks more like it.

Excellent. A request: please don’t restrict the grid to integer BPM (so far as I can see it currently is). If a user (ie me!) wants to align the grid to an imported track, we need the ability to stretch the grid without it being quantized, and also shift it sideways.

I suppose an alternative is to stretch and shift the track to fit the grid, and then reverse the stretching including the grid – but I’m not sure whether that would result in unwanted double-processing.

@fooball

There already is an index - it’s a bit rudimentary - it;s accessed from the Reference nav-bar at the left of the Manual pages. I have added an enter there for Beats and Measures for the alpha manual for the upcoming 3.4.2 release.

And oops sorry for posting links to the “locked away” alpha development manual.

Peter

We show a “what’s new” section inside of Audacity the first time you start the new version, and keep showing it to you every time you start Audacity until you click “don’t show me this again”.

Since “what’s new” in 3.3 is not new in 3.4, that’s only really useful to users that update Audacity on every release. It doesn’t help new users, or anyone that skips releases to avoid known bugs.

Indeed, and it was only a close examination of the actions in the video which gave me the clue. I couldn’t see how any of the links in What’s New took me to what I needed to know.