Voice recording using mic is worse than no-mic?

Hello guys, I’m totally newbie in vocal editing.

So I decided to make my vlog like a month ago, I’m only using my smartphone to record both video and audio, and it sounded something like this.

I somehow feel like this kind of voice is “not bad” for me. (If you think I can tune it better, please tell me how). I’m now mainly doing the Noise Reduction - Compressor - Bass Boost - Normalize for this sort of audio.

Until I started to use some cheapy-mic, and it sounds like this

To be honest, I prefer the one without mic but I really have to use mic since I’m doing some interviews and the smarphone would be too far away to catch our voice.
I tried googling for Audacity tutorial, nothings helps, neither Treble or Bass or Equalization or anything I’ve found online to improve the quality of my sound recording.

So here is my question:

  1. What is the “symptom” with the mic-recorded? Is it too much bass or treble or whatever you call it? (if you can provide a “symptom”, I might be able to look it up!
  2. Is there anything I can do with Audacity or other apps to improve the “seemingly-too-bass” mic-recorded voice? So at least I can get a “clear” voice like bettervoice.mp3.
  3. Or is there any other options I can do ?

Thank you in advance.

Regards,
Harry

Something is heavily processing the microphone sound. It’s going through noise reduction and room echo suppression and that’s what gives it that odd, underwater sound. There are other clues as well. The blue waves are perfect and that’s almost impossible unless the microphone or recorder processing is helping you.

I think the microphone would sound very good if you can get the recorder to stop helping you.

We can’t fix that damage. Once you get the bubbly, talking into a wine glass sound, it’s forever.

It was a good idea. Now you have to make it work.

Koz

Hi Koz.

Thank you for your reply, I don’t know what you meant by recorder, or what is processing the mic sound…

Actually I plugged the mic to (1) other smartphone to record, or (2) my laptop when I need to narate vlog.

Ok, so the sound is “bubbly” and “talking into a wine glass” sound, thanks for the help! At least I know what its called.

If I don’t use any recorder, then is there any other kind of help?

Thankyou!

Hey Koz. Thank you for replying!

Actually I dont really understand what you meant by recorder. Usually Im just plugging the mic in to another smartphone and record audio or either to my laptop and use Audacity to record.

I dont know if its the mic that needs to be changed.

At least now I know its called bubbly or talking into a wine glass sound. Lol

So if Im not using any recorder is there any way I can fix this in the future? Since you said its done forever.

Thanks!

Harry

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It’s difficult to describe processing sound damage, but to my mind, talking into a milk jug or wine glass is pretty close. That’s the sound signature of automatic noise reduction and echo suppression. You can get a similar damage by using Effect > Noise Reduction at too high a setting.

High Noise Reduction setting is the kiss of death if you want to record for paid work or audiobooks. Most clients will not accept work which sounds like a bad cellphone.

Most communication, chats and conferences will accept work with that distortion and those are the clients for this sound. You can’t do a conference if all the different people in the conference have refrigerator, air conditioning or computer fan noises. So many audio programs try to get rid of it and that’s what gives you the bubbly, gargly, wine glass, Conference Meeting sound.

More than you ever wanted to know.

It’s possible in some cases to turn off that processing. Consult your instructions for both the microphone and the phone. iPhone has (at least) two sound recorders. Voice Memo which has processing and Music Memo which doesn’t.

Any reason you’re not recording on the phone? Portable recording is one of your goals, right? It’s almost certain something in the phone is trying to correct your voice.

Usually, the odd sound is not the microphone. Microphones must go through volume boosting and cleaning before the sound is useful for anything. That’s usually where manufacturers put additional noise reduction and other jobs—and sometimes they allow you to turn it off.

I’m not sure I understand how you connected to the phone and then recorded in Audacity. Tell us what the microphone is and how everything is connected.

Koz

Hello Koz.

Sorry, I realized it needed approval until the my last reply. Lol.

Maybe I didn’t make myself clear, I’m usually connecting my microphone to either:
(1) my smartphone and then record everything using the built in voice recorder
(2) my laptop and the recording process goes with Audacity.

And both doesn’t sound different, it’s still this bubbly sound.

I’m using Boya BY M1 Lavalier Mic, I know it’s not that good but it’s what I can afford now.
Is it possible that the mic battery is out or anything like that?

I’m not recording on my cellphone alone, because I can’t rely on the quality (I don’t know if it’s my case, but please tell me if Samsung S6 is great enough to record audio), therefore I decided to use external microphone.

Thank you,
Harry

I’m not recording on my cellphone alone, because I can’t rely on the quality (I don’t know if it’s my case, but please tell me if Samsung S6 is great enough to record audio), therefore I decided to use external microphone.

I don’t know, but the mic built into most cell phones is pretty good. Except (like your lavalier mic), they are not directional which means they pick-up background noise from all-around in addition to the sound you want to record, and they can be overloaded and distort if you try to record a rock band or something like that.

If you want to record directly from your phone, you might want to get a mic-stand holder/adapter (and a microphone stand) to get a good microphone-position while avoid handling noise.

The mic built-into a laptop is usually pretty good too but it will pick-up fan & hard drive noise and clicking from the keyboard, etc., so a phone often works much better.

I tried googling for Audacity tutorial, nothings helps, neither Treble or Bass or Equalization or anything I’ve found online to improve the quality of my sound recording.

I like to start with the philosophy that a good recording doesn’t need any effects or processing (except for level adjustment). …That’s just an ideal and it’s not always practical, and in the real world almost all professional recordings do have some compression and equalization, but it all starts with a good-clean recoding.

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…I know you have a limited budget, but just as a point-of-reference, “good” stage/studio microphones don’t work directly with a computer or phone, so don’t waste too much money on a “computer mic”. Computer mics use an unbalanced (2-wire) connection with 5V supplied by the soundcard for electret condenser mics.

Stage/studio microphones are low-impedance balanced (3-wire) and studio condenser mics need 48V phantom power. (48V Phantom power is supplied by the audio interface, preamp, or mixer.) Dynamic mics (such as the famous Shure SM57/58) don’t require power, but they do have balanced connections so they don’t work “properly” with a laptop or regular soundcard.

Most people doing voice-over work or making audiobooks in a “home studio” use a directional [u]Studio Condenser Microphone[/u] (usually $100 USD or more) and a [u]USB Audio Interface[/u] with “proper” microphone inputs (also usually $100 or more). Or you can get a “studio style” [u]USB microphone[/u] (AKA a “podcast mic”). USB mics are easy to use and they don’t necessarily cost more than a good-quality analog mic. Some of them have a headphone jack or other features.

Another option (in a similar price range) is a portable [u]Solid State Recorder[/u]. These things usually come with good built-in mics and most can record in stereo.

A couple hundred (or a few-hundred) dollars may seem like a lot, but the computer is still the most expensive part and in the “analog days” it would have cost as much as a new car to set-up a home studio, and the quality wouldn’t be as good as a modern digital setup.

And that brings-up “the studio”… If you want nearly-professional results you need a good-quiet, sound-absorbing “studio”. And that can get very expensive! There are some “tricks”, such as recording at the right time of day, and turning-off the heating & air conditioning and any appliances that make noise, hanging blankets or other sound-absorbing materials, etc., and depending on the environment you start with, you may get acceptable results without spending lot of money.

….The soundproof studio is the biggest difference between a professional recording studio and a low-to-medium quality home studio. It doesn’t take super-expensive equipment to get a professional-quality recording but it does require a quiet environment.

tell me if Samsung S6 is great enough to record audio

I can’t tell from the sales information. Somebody on the forum has to actually own one to give you good information.

Boya BY M1 Lavalier Mic

I don’t think there’s anything wrong with the microphone. It seems to be a simple lavalier similar to several Sony models. The plug on the end tells me it was designed to plug into the sound connection on your laptop or possibly cellphone.

Most connections like that are headsets with earphones and microphone on a head strap.



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Your microphone has similar connections, but missing the earphones. Many of those connections have automatic sound processing and that brings us back to talking into a wine glass.

This is one super simple example from the computer I’m typing on now. See where it says “Use Ambient Noise Reduction?” If I turned that on in a noisy room, I might get that wine glass sound.



So that’s what you’re looking for.

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I don’t know that I would desk mount the microphone. It’s designed to work in the “chin shadow” of your chest. If that mount fails (clothing noise, breath pops) then there are other ways to do that, but stick with the intended use first.

Koz

There’s a whole faction group dedicated to the best way to hide the cable. I like surgical tape on the back of the tie.

Koz

Hey thank you for the replies!

Sorry I’ve been getting busy lately.
I think I got the concept.

Thanks for helping!

Regards,
Harry