odd looking wave form

Windows 10 64 bit Audacity 2.2.2

I just discovered I need to update but I have a project due on Friday and it seems to be working fine except for this and I don`t need any issues between now and the end of the week.

Im getting this strange looking wave form that at the top and bottom its flat similar to when I was having clipping issues which I fixed…I still get the clipping showing after a certain level but for the most part I get a flat peek…I really dont know how to explain it however Im attaching a screen shot.

Any suggestions ?
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How does it sound?

What are you recording and how are you connected? Or, are you using the mic built-into your laptop, etc.?

It looks like you are clipping on the positive side. Some of that clipping is not “red” so it’s probably getting clipped in the analog circuitry before it’s digitized, and/or the levels have been reduced after recording. The red parts are digital clipping. (You recorded too hot.)

Some sounds are asymmetrical (the positive & negative halves of the waveform are different) so it can be normal but what you have is probably caused by a “cheap soundcard”. A lower recording level will probably help. It will help the digital clipping and should help the analog issues too.


…A high pass filter will usually make the waveform more symmetrical (without changing the sound). With music, a ~20Hz high pass filter will preserve the deep bass and with voice ~100Hz will work.

It sounds ok actually…visually its disturbing..Im trying to get this right.

I doubt its the soundcard..this is a brand new custom built desktop that was constructed to record music with and run Pro tools which Ive never once used as Audacity has always been good enough…Im recording classical guitar...also some steel string and vocal...Im running everything thru an Allen and Heath 8 channel mixer with a Sterling condenser mic…Ive never had this happen before although I purposely turned everything up a little bit today as Ive been getting somewhat weak recordings although quite useable…I turned everything down and it`s working fine.

I am trying to get everything on this project as perfect as possible and I dont really see any issues as long as I use the settings I am now..I know what a high pass filter is with regard to radio but Ive never heard about one as pertaining to music…is there anything else you can tell me about that ?

I doubt its the soundcard..this is a brand new custom built desktop that was constructed to record music with and run Pro tools which Ive never once used as Audacity has always been good enough…Im recording classical guitar...also some steel string and vocal...Im running everything thru an Allen and Heath 8 channel mixer with a Sterling condenser mic.

If the Allen & Heath mixer has a USB output you’d be bypassing the soundcard. If you have an analog connection, make sure you’re connected to line-in. The line-input on a regular soundcard is often quite good, but the mic input on a soundcard or laptop is usually useless (for quality recording) and the mic input is too sensitive for the line-level out of your mixer…

Pros and “serious” hobbyists normally use an [u]Audio Interface[/u] (or a mixer with USB) instead of a regular soundcard.

Ive never had this happen before although I purposely turned everything up a little bit today as Ive been getting somewhat weak recordings although quite useable…I turned everything down and it`s working fine.

Good! With digital recording, it’s generally best to leave some headroom anyway, then boost after recording.

Pros typically record around -12 to -18dB (at 24-bits).

In the old days of analog tape you needed a strong signal to overcome tape noise, but with digital… no tape noise. And, analog tape was more forgiving on the high-end so it was OK to go occasionally “into the red”.

Usually, nothing bad happens when you get close to 0dB but analog-to-digital converters are hard-limited to 0dB and you’ll get clipping if you try to go over. But apparently, there is something unusual with your hardware so maybe you should keep the levels down a bit more.

I know what a high pass filter is with regard to radio but I`ve never heard about one as pertaining to music…is there anything else you can tell me about that ?

Consider a similar but different problem of [u]DC offset[/u] where the whole waveform (including silence) is shifted up or down. DC is zero-Hz, so a high-pass filter will kill it. So in general, a high-pass filter will sort-of “move the trend” (or the moving-average) toward zero (toward the center line).

I`ve been getting somewhat weak recordings although quite useable.

Distortion sounds loud. So it’s possible two things happened when you turned up the mixer. It actually did get loud, but very few people can hear a two or three dB change. If you also created distortion, everybody can hear that immediately and notice how robust and “full” the sound is now. Also distorted, and it will sound crunchy if you overdo it.

No mention of where all the recording instruments are. The mixer has a bouncing sound meter. Where is it bouncing? Audacity has a bouncing sound meter. Where is that bouncing? Do they match? Sing “oooooooooo” into the microphone and compare the mixer and Audacity.

High Pass Filter and Low Cut are the same thing. Your mixer (assuming a ZEDi-8) has that built-in. That’s what this is.


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It gets rid of low pitched sound such as thunder, earthquakes and trucks/lorries trundling by. It’s very commonly used with voice recordings, particularly outdoors to help reject thumping wind noise.

However, you can get into trouble with low cut if you try to record a performance where low pitch sound is the whole point of the performance such as pipe organ, bass violin, tuba, kettle drum, etc. This is where you get to play recording engineer.

You are correct that the recording should be as clean as possible given that you can add distortion and special effects later. We can’t take many distortions out later. Once you burn them into an original recording, you’re dead.

So make the sound meters happy (I don’t recommend this, but under duress, you can make a perfectly good recording and not hear a thing, just rely on the sound meters). Listening is proof or confirmation of what the sound meters are doing, not the other way around.

Oddly, the goal is to have sound “weak” and clean, not heavy, dense and loud. You can make dense and loud later.

Koz

If we’re still talking about the same mixer, it’s pitched to musical performers and artists. If I was building this thing, I would build in a very gentle limiter to make it difficult to overload the sound by accident. It would look exactly like the blue wave tip flattening you experienced in your recording. So instead of a forest of red overload bands and crunch, you got gentle sound “squashing” and an occasional red band.

Having the tops and bottoms of the blue waves not match is common. My voice does that and several announcers work that way. I used to joke I could tell when the local news team woman was talking just from the waves. She had a non-symmetrical voice and they didn’t.

Koz

Audacity has an effect similar to this squashing. Effect > Distortion > Leveler. It produces tip reduction without affecting the rest of the wave. It was deprecated from normal sound processing because of distortion and tonal shifts, but it was retained in Special Effects because of its ability to produce Taxi Radio and Air Traffic Controller sound (multiple passes of stiff leveling).

“Roger, Shepherd One. Clear for departure runway One Left. Have a good day.”

Some air traffic controller got to say those words when Pope Francis took off from Andrews in Washington DC.

Koz