Noise floor too low process?

Hi all,

One of my voice actors has turned in two files that sound fine to me but hit the “noise floor too low” error on ACX Check. I’m having trouble finding a fix. Every article I find is about reducing the noise floor, not increasing it.

I created a brownian noise track, but when I ran ACX Check, it paused halfway through to give me a FAIL then finished and gave me a second FAIL.

I figured it saw the noise track as a separate recording, but couldn’t figure out how to merge the noise directly into the voice recording. Instead, I threw out the right channel of the voice recording and made the noise track a new right channel.

I got one result from ACX Check, but it was still a failure.

There’s a better way, isn’t there? Is there a process I don’t know about? A set of steps written for a total neophyte?

I just want to create the faintest room tone so I can pass this friggin’ test!

Thanks in advance.

Create a new track: Tracks → Add New

Generate your noise on the new track. I don’t know if you generate noise low enough so you might have to reduce the volume (with the Amplify effect).

When you export the noise will be mixed-in.

I don’t know if ACX will accept your artificial room tone.

Now the question is what happened? Did you over-do noise reduction or use a noise gate or something?

This is the wrong approach. You need to find out why the noise floor is measuring too low, then fix that. Most likely it is just one, or a few tiny sections of the file that are faulty. Adding noise to the entire track will make it sound worse, and “what it sounds like” is far more important than measurements.

What is the full and exact message? How low does it say the noise floor is?

Most likely it is just one, or a few tiny sections of the file that are faulty.

ACX Check measures the whole show and then reports the quietest portion. So if you created an absolutely perfect book chapter but then jammed on a couple of seconds of Generate > Silence, the whole chapter will most likely fail Too Quiet. As an experiment, select the middle third of one of those “faulty” chapters and analyze that. A repair might be just getting Room Tone from the show and copy that on the ends of the chapter instead of Generate > Silence.

On the other hand, It’s possible to use extreme noise gating and other noise reduction techniques so the whole chapter has dead silence between words and sentences. That’s the one that the Brownian Noise was designed to “fix.”

ACX doesn’t like gating and extreme noise reduction because those tools and techniques can easily create voice sound damage. They’re hard to manage and ACX hates distractions.

Nobody should be delivering audiobooks in stereo. It’s wasteful, ACX recommends against it, and in some cases as above it can actually cause problems. Deliver in Mono.

Koz

@ Koz
A long time ago I suggested a more “advanced” version of ACX-Check that added labels where problems occurred. At the time you thought that was too complicated and wanted a single “Pass / Fail” response from the analyzer. What are your thoughts now that we have trialled ACX-Check.ny for a few years?
(perhaps better to start a new topic for this discussion).

Hi mkagle,

For what it’s worth, I edit the audio in Zoom recordings and the background noise in them has been cut to a level of -155dB by Zoom.

So I have recorded a background noise track in a quiet room of my house. Then I use AutoDuck to duck the noise track I created based on the audio track (no noise when there is speaking and noise when there is quiet). Then I mix the ducked noise file with the original audio. In my case, this brings my noise floor up from -155dB to somewhere in the -70’s dB. But I’m not using my audio for any audio books, I’m just trying to get a consistent audio level in my files.

I have a Macro that does the ducking and mixing for me.

Mike

I did the adding of an extra track. ACX Check didn’t like it. I didn’t try exporting and reimporting, so maybe that’s the way to go.

I did nothing at all to the piece, save a bit of cut/paste.

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I’ve done nothing to it except some copy/paste.

As an experiment, select the middle third of one of those “faulty” chapters and analyze that. A repair might be just getting Room Tone from the show and copy that on the ends of the chapter instead of Generate > Silence.

Okay, tried it on several, smaller sections. Except for a bit at the beginning, they all failed for having too low a noise floor. The value of the noise floor varied.

Nobody should be delivering audiobooks in stereo. It’s wasteful, ACX recommends against it, and in some cases as above it can actually cause problems. Deliver in Mono.

Oh, didn’t know that. Thanks.

I thought that was what I was trying to do with adding brownian noise. ACX Check doesn’t like having third tracks, but as someone else said, I could export and reimport and check.

The effect is detecting a part of the selection that is “totally silent”.

The most likely reasons:

  1. You have included some empty track space when applying ACX-Check (empty space will be detected as total silence, aka “-inf dB”).

  2. You used the “Silence” effect, or generated some silence into the track during editing.

  3. Some absolute silence was introduced into the track during editing by some other means.

  4. There was a “dropout” (a gap) created in the recording due to a recording problem.

The first thing to do is to try and find where the total silence(s) occur. If it’s only one place then it should be easy to fix by editing.
See this post for how to detect where the silence(s) occur: https://forum.audacityteam.org/t/noise-floor-too-low/60410/5

Okay, thanks.

I used the sound finder to find the silences in my chapter. It found 230 in an 18 minute chapter. About one silence between each sentence.

Not sure what Effect tool fixes that.

Sorry, I misspoke. I found silences between sentences as well as the sentences themselves.

I am currently attempting to check each silence by doing an ACX Check on every ten seconds of recording. Part of my problem is that ACX Check will tell me a section is a problem, but when I go back to check it again, it no longer says it’s a problem.

mkagle,

230 in 18 minutes is about 1 every 5 seconds.

It seems that if you created some Brownian noise with an amplitude of .0005 (or less), that it would give you a noise floor in that track of -80 to -90dB. Then you could mix that track with a copy of your audio and see what that does for the overall ACX testing.

Did you use the Noise Gate effect? That’s an effect that ACX say not to use (because it creates these “gaps” in the sound).

mkagle,

I’m new to this too, but here is what I wouldl try.

  • Load the file that your client gave you (First Track in Project)


  • Make a copy of it (Second Track)


  • On the Second Track do a Tracks > Mix > Stereo down to Mono.


  • Add a mono track (Third Track)


  • Select the Third Track and use Generate > BuiltIn > Noise and select Brownian and 0.0005 for the parameters.


  • Now select the Second and Third Tracks and do a Tracks > Mix and Render to a New Track (Should be the Fourth Track)


  • Check the Fourth Track using the Analyze > Nyquist > ACX check. I think you can only check about 30 minutes or so at a time.

Mike

It might be a very good idea to work out why the problem occurred so that it can be avoided in future rather than just papering over the cracks.

It’s easy to fool the ACX robot algorithm, but much harder to fool the human review that comes later, so “faking” a high quality recording could be a big waste of time.

I edit the audio in Zoom recordings

What does that mean? You’re not in Audacity?

And that was from mafg1953 not mkagle who posted the problem.

@mkagle how are the performance artists getting the work to you? File posting service such as Drop Box? Are they WAV files?

Is this the first time this artist has had this problem? Is it Windows and has a Microsoft “update” recently gone out? Did they get a new machine?

What is the performance? Simple reading of a book?

I think one of your posts said two measurements of the same work produced different readings. That’s scary.

Koz

Blindly putting the puzzle pieces together: The artist has Skype or Zoom running in the background of their machine and their voice is going through Zoom processing. As you pointed out, it sounds OK, but just won’t pass technical tests.

Koz