Good mic for podcasting

Hello, not sure if this is really a good spot for this or not, and I’m truly sorry if it isn’t, but I have been doing some podcast work as well as video reviews and previews and such for a few years now. I’ve been using the Blue Yeti microphone for most of that time, but it’s time for an upgrade before I launch my podcast on iTunes.

You can find the site I work for in my profile (don’t want to link anything and get in trouble), but if you want to check out our youtube page and see an example video then you’ll see that my voice is naturally higher pitched. I was hoping anyone knew of a good microphone for podcasting that would sound good with a higher pitched voice.

Anything sub $400 is a good suggestion, but if it’s closer to $400 I’d need a very good reason for buying it.

Thank you all in advance, and again I’m sorry if this was the wrong place for this.

I have included an audio sample for your consideration:
https://www.dropbox.com/s/czun6mcwp1j9jfa/BillyCTwinstiq_RAW.wav?dl=0

but it’s time for an upgrade before I launch my podcast on iTunes.

Why do you think that? There is a significant list of USB microphone shortcomings, but which of them prompted the urge to upgrade? How is your new podcast format going to require sound capture? What is the format?

Buying a microphone has less to do with voice quality than the ability to deal with the environment. Case in point is ‘This American Life’ who discovered long distance, highly directional microphones are terrific for close-up interviews because they isolate the performers from the environment. That’s one reason they manage to crank out clear interview after clear interview.

NBC Tonight Show traditionally has that big microphone on the host desk. He’s actually wearing a lavalier and I suspect the desk microphone is only wired as backup if not an actual prop.

Koz

There are two reasons that I want to upgrade: The first is that I am giving my Yeti to my wife who will be joining me on the podcasts, and so I wanted to use this opportunity to upgrade. The second is that I would like a warmer sound with less popping on p’s and such. I have a pop-filter for the yeti but it doesn’t do the job as well as I would have hoped it would. The room has two computers in it, cats wandering around, and with both of us inside and recording audio. As such I want a good amount of background noise cut out and hopefully without picking up the other person talking much, if at all.

I’ve been using the Blue Yeti microphone for most of that time, but it’s time for an upgrade before I launch my podcast on iTunes.

You can find the site I work for in my profile (don’t want to link anything and get in trouble), but if you want to check out our youtube page and see an example video then you’ll see that my voice is naturally higher pitched. I was hoping anyone knew of a good microphone for podcasting that would sound good with a higher pitched voice.

Is “pitch” the only issue with the Yeti, or is there something about it you don’t like. The Yeti has lots of features that you don’t find in all podcast mics (zero-latency monitoring, a gain control, variable pickup patterns). Do you want/need those features? Some other features?

Of course, the mic doesn’t change pitch. It can affect “tone” or frequency balance of the harmonics, but equalization can also do that more easily, with more flexibility, and more economically than trying to do it by selecting microphones. I’ve been using the Blue Yeti microphone for most of that time, but it’s time for an upgrade before I launch my podcast on iTunes.

All directional (cardioid) microphones tend to boost bass when close to the sound-source. I’m not suggesting that you should use a cheap mic and then try to EQ it to sound like a better mic, but a decent mic can usually be EQ’d to sound however you want it to sound.

That’s why I asked you. You just described a studio, not a microphone. Seat of the pants recording will only take you so far and you just stepped through the looking glass into formal recording. Don’t let the word “studio” throw you. That just means a room appropriate to the show.

I need to leave for a bit.

Koz

There are two reasons that I want to upgrade: The first is that I am giving my Yeti to my wife who will be joining me on the podcasts, and so I wanted to use this opportunity to upgrade.

If you want to use more than one mic you need an [u]interface[/u] with two or more microphone inputs and “regular analog” studio (or stage) microphones. You generally can’t use more than one “device” which means you can’t use two or more USB mics at the same time.

The second is that I would like a warmer sound with less popping on p’s and such. I have a pop-filter for the yeti but it doesn’t do the job as well as I would have hoped it would.

You may need a little more distance from the mic and/or a better pop filter and maybe you can learn to control your voice a little. Of course, with more distance you’ll pick-up more (relative) room noise.

The room has two computers in it, cats wandering around, and with both of us inside and recording audio. As such I want a good amount of background noise cut out and hopefully without picking up the other person talking much, if at all.

Of course, a directional mic helps with that (but you already have a mic with a cardioid option). Otherwise, changing microphones does not change the relative volume of voice and background noise… A microphone that’s 6dB more sensitive will make the signal and the noise 6dB louder, just like turning-up the volume (except that turning-up the volume increases the electrical noise whereas a more sensitive mic only picks-up more acoustic noise in the room).

Getting closer to the mic helps with signal-to-noise, but if you get too close you make your other problems worse.

Pros still record in soundproof studios with good equipment, good talent, a good performance, and good instruments when recording music. If there’s a tiny amount of remaining noise, they may filter it out digitally. For on-location newscasts, pros use directional mics with windscreens and they get the mics a close to the source/speaker as possible, and then they just live with the remaining noise pickup. If the speaking is difficult to understand or difficult to hear through the noise, they may add subtitles.

I would like a warmer sound…

Depending on what you mean by “warm”, probably some EQ boost around 100-150Hz. Some people describe dynamic compression or slight distortion “warmth”.

I want to listen to your clip when I get back. There are microphones that can make a voice harsher and more strident than it needs to be, but your recording requirements may take that decision out of your hands. As a practical matter you will not get two completely separate voice tracks. You can get one track predominantly you and one predominantly her.

A notable voice is not dreadful. A third grade kid doing a podcast like a third grade kid is deadly, but a unique presenting voice doing a good quality podcast is pure gold. If I like your show and you can grab my ear in the first second, you win.

And it’s almost certain you will not be using USB microphones. You can force two USB microphones to work, but it’s not pretty or graceful. If you play your cards right, you can get a show where the two of you start out OK, but don’t match in time at the end of a long show.

You forgot to warn us you wanted to use Skype interviews. Do you?

Koz

(don’t want to link anything and get in trouble)

We encourage postings to examples of your work. It does get our attention if you try to sell us male enhancing products. Aside from being redundant, it’s forbidden.

I don’t see anything theatrically wrong with your sample at all. You have two red bar overloads in there (View > Show Clipping) and a P Pop on the word “Portal.” If I stop playing and analyze the gap between “PC” and “The Game,” I can hear a noisy room that if you care, will not pass ACX Audiobook specifications. I only mention that because if you graduate from one microphone to two, the performer volume will stay constant, but the background noise will double.

If you’re going to share the show, can she talk fast like that? If she can’t, you’re going to have a constant acceleration/deceleration as you toss it back and forth. That’s show production and I’m just mentioning that as a possible sticking point.

So the task is to blow that out to two performers on equal quality microphones in a noisy room. What could go wrong?

Please note in the included picture the distance between Charlie Rose and his guest. That’s not accidental. That’s so the audio people can adjust the performances more or less separate from each other. Please know that they shoot these things on a quiet WNYC Soundstage in New York. that’s not accidental, either.

So. Describe the show in detail. Pretend you’re pitching it to me and I’m going to write you a check. There’s nothing like showing up with 500 pounds (227kg) of audio equipment because nobody told me details of what the sound job was.

Koz

Ok first of all thank you all for your replies so far!

As to the job specifics, here we go:
The room is far from ideal. There are two computers, three monitors, a modem and router. The computers (our stations for this) are set up at 90 degrees from each other. So while I am sitting looking at my computer she is to the right of me, her back to me, looking at her computer. There is a fair amount of furniture in the room, carpet, otherwise bare walls. The mics will be on boom stands (not touching the desks).

The show style will consist of two sections. The first will be a running commentary style where I will be doing most of the talking, with her pitching in every now and then. The second part will be more of a slow, back and forth where we will ask and answer questions from each other. For the first part we will be talking over low volume music (not played in the room, taken from the computer in the recording) and it will not be explosive rock or anything, more subdued background music.

As far as the background noise doubling I hadn’t really though about that, but I don’t know if there is anything I can do about it as it is mostly the computer fans. Any ideas for potential solutions to that problem would be welcome as well.

I have to read through that. You should fall out of moderation shortly and not have to wait for your messages to post.
Koz

I’m compiling part numbers.

There are exotic ways to shoot this, but I suspect a straight analog mixer and conventional microphones are indicated. I’ll get more verbal about this as we go.

Do you have headphones you like? I like Sennheiser eH150s that I got from work. They’re beat up and I had to fix them to get them running. They won’t work for heavy sound jobs, but they are sealed, they’re comfortable and I can wear them for long periods. Hollywood Production standard is Sony MDR-7506. Everybody has at least one pair. “Can I borrow your headphones?” will almost always produce a pair of Sonys. I don’t like them for long periods, but they do what they’re supposed to do.

Are you required to read the screen as you perform? That can make microphone placement interesting.

Koz

As a first pass (and I haven’t totaled the bux yet), two directional Shure SM58 microphones (or equivalent ES-58s), shock mounts and blast filters. You already have or are planning on mic stands and booms. I can’t remember the model number of my stands, but they work without the heavy base. Highly recommended.

I built a shock mount from plumbing parts and US Mail rubber bands.

http://www.kozco.com/tech/pvcShockMount/shockmount.html

Click on the graphics. They’re not that expensive, but no, you don’t have to buy shock mounts.

That’s it in actual production use with a blast filter (the round thing in front).

The boom on the mic stand lets you do things like this.

That’s a complicated-looking shoot because two people were doing it at once. My system is on the left.

Note the headphones, mixer and laptop. That’s basically what I think may work for you. I was the recordist. The second headphones were for the artist.

Newer systems will need a digitizer. My favorite is the Behringer UCA-202. That’s my mixer on the right.

The mixer can be almost anything which will manage two or more XLR microphones, and, of course, you’ll need XLR microphone cables.




You have one other requirement which will require a little juggling. You want to mix background music into the production. You can do that in post production or you can do it live. You can play music from the recording computer into one of the Line-Level inputs of the mixer and mix it hot into the conversation. This and mixing two different voices are the reason you will need headphones during the show. This juggling act is what the recording engineer (me) would normally be doing.

All that and you have to keep the peak voices signals around -6 or so to avoid overload and noise problems.

And yes, you are hot-mixing the show. Alternately, you can mix the show in post production by shoving your mic to the left and her mic to the right in the mixer and not have music until later. You can mix and process your brains out in post production. Keep in mind, Post Production almost always takes five times the length of the show. So if you have a half-hour show, post will take 2-1/2 hours.

My mixer (Peavey PV6) is about $100. The microphones are about $80 each. The UCA202 is about $30. Cables are about $20 each. My blast filter came with one of my microphones. You can make those, too. The hard part is securing it to the mic stand. Mine has a clamp and goose-neck.

So yes, for about $300 or so you could be off and running.

It’s a given that the recording is going to be noisy and echoey. I can’t make the room go away for $300, but you can help a lot with sound proofing such as those blue furniture moving pads that appeared in one of those graphics. I use double thickness.


As long as you don’t move around very much, you can probably suppress some of the computer noise with Effect > Noise Reduction. That’s a technique, not a simple pushbutton.

All that seems daunting, but people do perform podcasts like this and it just takes getting used to. No doubt the first podcast is going to be that cookie you burn to see how hot the stove is.

Koz

If this isn’t it, it’s very close.
On-Stage Stands MS7701B Euro Boom Microphone Stand

http://www.sweetwater.com/store/search.php?s=On-Stage+Stands+MS7701B+Euro+Boom+Microphone+Stand&Go=Search

I can get the real number. As I recall the last time I did this, my exact model number isn’t available any more.


That conference room double shoot was a successful radio broadcast. That conference room is soundproofed.

Koz

If you substitute parts (perfectly possible), post here before you write a check.
Koz

Got it. I have the MS9701B mic stand, the heavy duty version that costs more. And yes, it’s still available.

The Shure SM58 microphone is the common, indestructible, “rock band” directional microphone. That’s it in the illustration that features the moving blankets for an animation vocal shoot. Its only shortcoming is the “Haystack” frequency response which is designed to punch clarity and crispness, which you don’t need so much. It’s not that much of an effect and you can cancel it with the equalizer in post if you don’t like it.

The jump from one microphone to two in a production is profound. That’s the jump that scares people. “Can’t I just plug in a second microphone?” Yes. I would plug it into a second computer and then put the two sound tracks together in post production. See: Post takes five times the length of the show. In that case, you have to mix the music in post as well. There’s no such thing as walking away from the live shoot with a finished show in that case.

The jump from two microphones to three is significant, but usually not serious. The jump from three to Some Large Number can usually be handled before breakfast.

You can use stand-alone recorders as well. If you start having computer troubles (not all that unusual with USB microphones) one way ‘out of jail’ is any of the stand-alone recorders out there. I have a Zoom H4 which will accept an external high-quality microphone. I recently shot a field sound performance using the microphones on the H4 and nothing else.

Koz

Ok, I have been gone all week for work and I just got back today. I’ve read through what you wrote, but I haven’t had a chance to process everything to get back to you on it. Just wanted to thank you for the amazing information and let you know that I didn’t just disappear after all that work. I’ll get back to you with a more filled out reply as soon as I can.