Upgraded to Audacity version 3.2.1 recently but I noticed this prior to upgrading.
The main trouble I’m reporting for improvement (or bug fixing) is…
Using Next Clip (Ctrl+ .) / Prev Clip (Ctrl+,) I noticed the following things:
1 > There are differences between going forward and backward in version 3.2.1
2 > Prev Clip at start of track no longer wraps to the end of the track.
3 > If you repeat a clip with an adjacent clip, then “invisible clip boundaries” appear that the Next Clip functionality navigates to.
I believe it is trying to use the “snapping” boundaries that appear when a clip is close to another clip for joining but I want to properly navigate between the clips using the Previous Clip and Next Clip functionality.
You can see the trouble in this image. https://i.imgur.com/JwCLxau.gif
It’s chaos to navigate unless I remove the adjacent clips and then repeat.
Really reporting here for humanitarian purposes.
It does interrupt my flow, but I’ve updated my macros around it so I’m stable.
I’d like it to be reliable so I see it as a bug to be fixed and my duty to report it.
If you have any insight to help me understand why it may intentionally be this way then I’d like to better understand.
Thank you for reporting your issue. Curiously, I didn’t even know about Select Prev/Next Clip. BTW, on my computer it is Alt+./, not Ctrl+./,.
In item (2) above, you say Prev Clip no longer wraps to the end of a track. Are you comparing 3.2.1’s behavior with that of a previous Audacity release? If so, which version?
I am unable to reproduce your issue (3) with “invisible clip boundaries” that you illustrated in the video. I do the following:
Start Audacity 3.2.1
Tools > Reset Configuration
Generate 10 second chirp
Cursor at about 5 second mark; Edit > Audio Clips > Split (Ctrl+I)
Click on the bar at the top of the second clip, Effect > Special > Repeat > 3 > Apply
(View > Zoom > Out) twice
Note that the last four clips are selected: Audio 1, Audio 1 1, Audio 1 2, Audio 1 3.
Alt-. selects Audio 1 1, then Audio 1 2, then Audio 1 3, then no change.
Alt-, selects Audio 1 2, then Aucio 1 1, then Audio 1, then Audio 1, then no change.
Click on top bar on Audio 1 2 track
Edit > Delete
Click on top bar on Audio 1 3 track
Effect > Special > Repeat > 3 > Apply
Alt-. selects Audio 1 2, then Audio 1 4, then Audio 1 5, then no change.
Alt-, selects Audio 1 4, then Audio 1 2, then Audio 1 3, then Audio 1 1, then Audio 1, then Audio 1, then no change.
I experienced no difficulties with this. Everything worked exactly as one might expect.
Thanks for getting back to me and with your detailed steps jademan.
I was mistaken about the hotkey assigned. It is by default Alt+./,
Yes, I upgraded Audacity recently to 3.2.1. I do not remember my prior version.
Before previous and next clip-skipping used to “wrap around” so if you were at the end it would go to the front. I used macros that worked on that so it broke some macro things. I’ve simply updated my macros to skip the curosor to the start of the track then go to the next clip when necessary. So that is not a huge concern. I just noticed a few changes in my preferences but did not see one to address this “wrapping” so I thought I might be simply missing a flag/checkbox hidden somewhere.
I followed your steps and I too was not able to replicate the issue - or said another way I got the same expected results you reported.
I went back into my project, compared and tried again after using Tools >Reset Configuration.
I discovered it happens on multi channel tracks. See this demonstration. https://i.imgur.com/7wtZ83o.gif
So if you add another mono track with a Chirp and then edit that one it should be reproducable.
Please try that and let me know.
Here is a new image showing it off using a simplified newly created project that has two channels.
The only added step was I created a secondary channel after the first.
Cursor at about 30 second mark on second track; Edit > Audio Clips > Split (Ctrl+I)
Click on the bar at the top of the second clip, Effect > Special > Repeat > 3 > Apply
(View > Zoom > Out) twice
Note that the last four clips are selected: Audio 2, Audio 2 2, Audio 2 4, Audio 2 6.
**8) Alt-. selects in between sliver of Audio 2 and Audio 2 2, then Audio 2 2 and Audio 2 4 sliver, then no change.
Alt-, selects Audio 2 4, then the sliver between Audio 2 2 and Audio 2 4, then Audio 2 2, then sliver between Audio 2 and Audio 2 2, then Audio 2 then Audio 1, then no change.**
OK, so I think there is a totally different issue going on here. When I follow your steps, at step 7, my clips are named Audio 2, Audio 2 1, Audio 2 2, and Audio 2 3.
So at step 7 you already seem to have an “invisible clip” gremlin.
Do you have this same behavior on another machine?
Perhaps your copy of Audacity was damaged somehow… Let me suggest uninstalling all existing copies of Audacity, then download and install a fresh copy from here: https://www.audacityteam.org/download/, being sure to reset your configuration when you do the install.
