A (possibly) silly question re "scrubbing", v2.1.1.

The manual says “Scrubbing can only be started when in Selection Tool. […] Pressing CTRL + left-click will put you into scrub play mode. You can now release the mouse button then move the pointer right and left across the waveform. This will cause Audacity to scrub play forward or backward respectively from the point at which you clicked in the waveform.”

Yes, I am in selection mode, but ctrl + left-click has no effect at all. Except on the timeline, where it opens the timeline context menu. On a Mac this is not a big surprise, since ctrl + left-click is equivalent to a right click.

How do I start “scrubbing” on a Mac? (Am I just too silly? Or m I blind?)

As you will probably be aware, the equivalent of Windows and Linux CTRL on Mac is COMMAND (Apple key). So try COMMAND and left-click.

That page of the Manual does say that, but it is noted at the bottom, so I will move it further up for next release.


Gale

In certain places, yes. Not generally.

So try COMMAND and left-click.

Thank you very much! I’m pretty sure I had tried alt+click and shift-click…

That page of the Manual does say that, but it is noted at the bottom, so I will move it further up for next release.

A good idea! And, please, fix also the misleading information which is displayed in the Preferences->Mouse window.

It’s sufficiently general that the Mac version of wxWidgets (the interface toolkit we use) maps CTRL to COMMAND.

If you tell us what information there you regard as misleading then we can consider any necessary action.


Gale

Man, I wish I had a memory like that… :open_mouth:

I have to go back to the Mac+ in 1984 to find a Mac keyboard that didn’t have a control key. Or is my memory failing again?

In the menu, go to Preferences->Mouse. All mouse bindings are shown with “Ctrl”, see the attached screenshot. In the OSX version of Audacity “Ctrl” should be replaced with “cmd”.
screenshot-211-mouse.png

To be clear, I am not saying that Mac keyboards lack a Control key. I know they have a Control key - Control is often used as a modifier with the Apple key.

What I am saying is that if we asked you to use CONTROL + V to paste in Audacity instead of COMMAND + V, I expect you and others would be complaining very vigorously.


Gale

It looks quite common here: https://support.apple.com/en-gb/HT201236

OK. It is now on our “Bugzilla” tracking system.

Fortunately the Status Bar message for scrub is already correct for Mac.

Gale

I wouldn’t be happy. That’s for sure. But in this case, ctrl (which is available) gets mapped to command. That’s confusing and seems like a silly choice, as a default, by WXwidgets. So I’m glad this can be fixed.

No, it isn’t. On a Mac Ctrl+Left-Click must always be available as a replacement for Right-Click in order to to support one-key-mice and one-key-trackpads. In consequence, Ctrl is never available as a modifier for mouseclicks.

I’m perfectly happy with using Cmd; all I was criticizing was the documentation. Using Cmd-c/v/x in place of Ctrl-c/v/x is equally standard on a Mac. OTOH, Ctrl-d is EOF, Ctrl-c will terminate a running program, and Ctrl-a/e (in many cases) moves the cursor to the beginnig/end of the current line. That’s what I meant by saying that Ctrl ist “not generally” replaced with Cmd on the Mac.

Btw: Maybe the term “Cmd” should be used in the documentation rather than the clumsy “COMMAND”. That’s how the key is actually labelled. After all, you are writing “Ctrl” rather than “CONTROL”. :wink:

US Keyboards have the word “COMMAND” (the US is by far the biggest market for Mac computers). The abbreviated “Cmd” is found on European keyboards.

Well I’l be… You’re right. Even in Terminal, it gets reserved.

I’m perfectly happy with using Cmd; all I was criticizing was the documentation.

Sorry, didn’t grok that.

Using Cmd-c/v/x in place of Ctrl-c/v/x is equally standard on a Mac. OTOH, Ctrl-d is EOF, Ctrl-c will terminate a running program, and Ctrl-a/e (in many cases) moves the cursor to the beginnig/end of the current line. That’s what I meant by saying that Ctrl ist “not generally” replaced with Cmd on the Mac.

And that’s why I jumped to the Terminal, which is where I use the ctrl-keys all the time. Just not ctrl-click, 'till now.

Btw: Maybe the term “Cmd” should be used in the documentation rather than the clumsy “COMMAND”. That’s how the key is actually labelled. After all, you are writing “Ctrl” rather than “CONTROL”. > :wink:

Yep “CONTROL” seems outdated.

Tell Apple. The majority of their keyboard say “CONTROL”. (the two biggest markets are the US and Japan, both of which use the full word in upper case).

I was thinking about how it is usually written, in manuals, help files and the net…

And of course I was blissfully unaware about US keyboards. Maybe that way is easier for beginners :laughing:

FWIW, I agree with you :wink: