What is the standard RMS value for music?

Yes, no-one, on that thread, or elsewhere I’ve found seems to want to be specific about RMS or any other possible consistent loudness method or standard(s). Although, that thread, particularly about the third entry by “Massive Mastering” delved the deepest I’ve seen so far online on the subject. MM arbitrarily recommends -15 dB’s RMS as the benchmark for the best sound for loud music such as rock/pop/rap… but gives no recommendation for softer music such as acoustic, etcetera.

The problem: If your song (you created) is grouped in with others, anywhere. For instance on my own portable listening device. Unless you use an auto-volume leveling type program, which personally I don’t. All that matters is what the majority (of that particular group you’re in) is doing loudness-wise.

All music, if and when I listen on a portable device, such as my Sansa Clip, I upload as WAV. I don’t even mess with anything compressed. With the larger capacities of portable devices now, (the superior sound quality of) WAV is not a problem. Well except in regards to volume-leveling, it may not work on WAV’s, not sure though, because I don’t use it. It seems when I did, it did not work for WAV. Anyway, most of my CD’s (and ripped WAV’s from them) are of a similar RMS/volume. Although a notable few are obnoxiously not! As well as some being quite low. It is a problem.

Listening to a shuffle of popular Blues, Rock, and Metal yesterday on my Sansa Clip, with a few of my own songs, I created, ocassionally coming up in the mix–mine were way low in volume. * Maybe I shouldn’t be listening to White Zombie in a shuffle with my Country/Pre-war Style Blues that I created(?).

On a scale of 1 to 10 my level of expertise is probably a 1 but trying to follow as best I can… As far as your post, I’m guessing I would need the guitar on a seperate track than the vocals for some of the recommendations, to which, currently I’m recording only live and mono (one track/no over dubbing). I do try to bring the vocals closer than the guitar as much as possible though when recording -on my iPod …LOL (just a hobby/study really at this point), thanks for the input though.

Attempting to produce a good iPod recording (if possible), should by default advance me to a higher level of expertise if and when I do get better equipment.

I didn’t set out to be a producer though!! But hey, somebody’s got to. Even if I was in a band proper, when it came to recording if it didn’t come out spectacular I’d probably be, “What’s the deal? Does this producer know what they’re doing?” Production is as important or more important than anything else, the producer should be like a member of the band!/maybe working the soundboard (another extremely important part) when the band is performing live. A producer and sound person are sometimes good and sometimes bad and imo make or break a band/or any sound related venture [just ramblin’].

This recording… https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BZOcRxlez78 …made back in '91-from the CD liner notes-says audiophile grade Chesky Records recorded it in a hardwood floor recording studio using a full digital capture/process, minimalist miking techniques with no overdubbing or artificial enhancement to ensure the most purest and natural sound possible, has an overall RMS of -25db according to Wave Stats analysis of the .aiff file I copied from the CD.

I have to max out the volume slider on my Mac Mini to get it loud not only for normal listening on my Sony headphones but also so I can hear-at the end just after the 3:30 mark where it goes silent and all that can be heard is room tone-the tapping of the flute keys as a nice musical flourish that ends the song. All other modern songs of both similarly styled and loud rock can be heard at the same loudness level with the Mac Mini volume at my usual mid position, so I guess even -12db RMS is a safe sound level. -15db RMS makes sense as a standard to allow for some 3db of headroom.

Mr Friedemann of the European Broadcasting Union has been strongly involved in creating a simple dynamic range labelling system called “DR14”.
The meters return a single value, comparable with the crest factor (peak minus rms, in dB).
As the 14 suggests, 14 is regarded as a good value. However, it is not applyable to all styles and genres and there are other values listed (most noteably for the similar Ebu R128 loudness range units).

By the way, the linked thread/discussion above has very good points regarding the loudness development.