Using midi with audio

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Re: Using midi with audio

Post by DVDdoug » Thu Nov 14, 2019 10:54 pm

The suggested program is not suitable because it's an online program. I don't want to be uploading my music to a website.
I don't use MIDI but there are several applications listed in the DAW link I gave you. I only mentioned Cakewalk because it's free and it's not mentioned in the other link.

Or, if live near a music store they can probably give you some advice. Or, just Google "MIDI software". ;)

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Re: Using midi with audio

Post by steve » Thu Nov 14, 2019 10:54 pm

I think that Cakewalk by BandLab supports audio and MIDI (and it's free).
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Re: Using midi with audio

Post by Jebbers » Fri Nov 15, 2019 1:49 pm

Then in what limited way is midi available in audacity?

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Re: Using midi with audio

Post by waxcylinder » Fri Nov 15, 2019 1:54 pm

Jebbers wrote:
Fri Nov 15, 2019 1:49 pm
Then in what limited way is midi available in audacity?
You can
a) import MIDI files
b) play the MIDI file
c) do very simple editing and export back

See: https://manual.audacityteam.org/man/note_tracks.html

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Re: Using midi with audio

Post by Jebbers » Fri Nov 15, 2019 2:03 pm

So then, audacity is compatible with midi? I'm not interested in overdub recording directly into audacity with my LPK25. I expect that I can learn how to record the keyboard with the JJsequencer, while monitoring a base track, then import the files into audacity and be able to edit and mix and export them.

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Re: Using midi with audio

Post by waxcylinder » Fri Nov 15, 2019 2:06 pm

you can't mix MIDI and audio tracks.

There is no "Render" to turn MIDI into proper audio in Audacity.

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Re: Using midi with audio

Post by Jebbers » Fri Nov 15, 2019 2:12 pm

Surely this is a common problem. I only began by recording 16 and 24 bit audio files and now want to add midi tracks. It's either or? I mean, had I started with midi, I would not now be able to add audio files? Or are more advanced store-bought programs able to handle this?

I'm only asking to use a synthesizer in combination with analog.

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Re: Using midi with audio

Post by Jebbers » Fri Nov 15, 2019 2:20 pm

OK. I've previewed that page and see that I will be able to do what I want. I can cut, paste and delete. I won't be able to alter the sound with effects. That's fine, since that is done in the sequencer. So, will I be able to mix the analog with the midi?
waxcylinder wrote:
Fri Nov 15, 2019 2:06 pm
you can't mix MIDI and audio tracks.

There is no "Render" to turn MIDI into proper audio in Audacity.

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Then why handle midi in audacity at all?

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Re: Using midi with audio

Post by steve » Fri Nov 15, 2019 2:47 pm

Audacity is essentially an audio recording and editing program.

Audacity also has the ability to import / export and play MIDI files, and has very basic MIDI editing. Audacity's MIDI capability will probably increase in the future, but the main priority for the foreseeable future is audio.

Although Audacity does not have a "render" feature for MIDI, it is possible to "record" the MIDI as audio. To do this, you need to ensure that all audio tracks are muted, and that the MIDI track plays properly, then you can set Audacity to record the audio playing on the computer. See: https://manual.audacityteam.org/man/tut ... puter.html
Jebbers wrote:
Fri Nov 15, 2019 2:20 pm
Then why handle midi in audacity at all?
I agree that it is not very useful at the moment, though there are a few situations where it can be useful. Probably the main use at present is if you are using audio and MIDI in another application, but you need to use some audio feature in Audacity that is not available in the other application. In this use case, being able to play a MIDI track can be a useful guide for timing the audio.
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Re: Using midi with audio

Post by waxcylinder » Fri Nov 15, 2019 3:24 pm

steve wrote:
Fri Nov 15, 2019 2:47 pm
I agree that it is not very useful at the moment ...
I always think it would be a lot more useful if we had a Render MIDI command to turn a MIDI Note track into an audio track.

Yes, the kludge you mention can work Steve - but it is a bit faffy (I've tried it)

If Audacity can covert the MIDI to payable audio - then surely it must be pretty straightforward to render it into an audio track ?

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