How does the "Subliminal..." plugin work?

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Jane Smith
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How does the "Subliminal..." plugin work?

Post by Jane Smith » Wed Aug 21, 2019 11:59 am

I'm very interested in using subliminal messages to improve myself, but I don't always enjoy music, especially when sleeping. This was recommend on YouTube (but I don't understand what it does to the audio file):

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;nyquist plug-in
;version 1
;type process
;name "Subliminal..."
;action "Subliminal..."
;control carrier "Carrier" real "Hz" 17500 14000 20000

(setf *nyquist-srate* (/ *sound-srate* 2.0))

(setf carrier (max 14000 (min carrier (- *nyquist-srate* 3000))))

;; We have two Nyquist frequencies, carrier/2 and *sound-srate*/2.
;; The CUTOFF is the maximum allowed frequency in the modulator.
;; It must not be greater than carrier/2, but also not greater than
;; the difference between the carrier and *sound-srate*/2, because
;; otherwise the modulated carrier aliases.

(setf cutoff (min (/ carrier 2.0) (- *nyquist-srate* carrier)))

(defun cut (function sound frequency)
  (dotimes (ignore 10 sound)
    (setf sound (funcall function sound frequency))))

(defun subliminal (sound)
  (let ((result (mult 2 (cut #'lowpass8 (hp sound 80) cutoff)
                        (hzosc carrier))))
    (cut #'highpass8 result carrier)))

(if (< *sound-srate* 44100)
    ;; (princ "The track sample frequency must be minimum 44100Hz.")
    (princ "Die Samplefrequenz der Tonspur muss mindestens 44100Hz sein.")
    (multichan-expand #'subliminal s))

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Re: How does the "Subliminal..." plugin work?

Post by steve » Wed Aug 21, 2019 12:14 pm

Jane Smith wrote:
Wed Aug 21, 2019 11:59 am
This was recommend on YouTube
There's lots of crazy ideas on YouTube :D
Jane Smith wrote:
Wed Aug 21, 2019 11:59 am
I don't understand what it does to the audio file
Basically it's like how medium wave (AM) radio stations superimpose audio onto radio waves, but rather than superimposing onto a "carrier" radio wave, it superimposes the audio onto a "carrier" very high frequency audio wave. Because adult humans are generally only able to hear sounds up to around 16000 Hz (depending on how good your hearing is and how much damage has been done by exposure to loud noise), very high frequencies (in the region of 17000 Hz) are inaudible to most people.

This is done by a process called "amplitude modulation". https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Amplitude_modulation

There's a crazy idea that people can somehow subconsciously hear the very high frequency carrier wave (even if their hearing is so badly damaged that there is zero response from the cochlea, and somehow "demodulate" the signal (even though the person may have no idea what "demodulation" is), and that the decoded speech will "reprogram" them in some way. There is zero verifiable evidence to support this crazy idea.
Learn more about Nyquist programming at audionyq.com

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Re: How does the "Subliminal..." plugin work?

Post by kozikowski » Wed Aug 21, 2019 12:25 pm

Where did you find it?

It seems to create a little radio station only instead of broadcasting a powerful signal from a tall tower, it does it with an ultra-sonic tone (dogs and bats can hear it).

One problem with most tools like this is testing. There are many tools to test if an audio system is working and if it's not, what's wrong with it. No such tools for subliminal listening. The user just has to take it all on blind faith.

Another more serious problem is physical. Most headphones and speaker systems won't reproduce ultrasonic tones, so that snaps you back to: How do you know it's working?

The program notes have you using 44100 digital sampling rate minimum, and I agree, I would be more likely to use 48000, the video sampling frequency, or higher. If you go higher, then the playback system has to be able to play the show. Whatever you do has to make it through your soundcard.

Koz

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Re: How does the "Subliminal..." plugin work?

Post by Jane Smith » Wed Aug 21, 2019 1:54 pm

kozikowski wrote:
Wed Aug 21, 2019 12:25 pm
Where did you find it?
I found it here: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VtGlmNYazTA

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Re: How does the "Subliminal..." plugin work?

Post by Jane Smith » Wed Aug 21, 2019 2:10 pm

steve wrote:
Wed Aug 21, 2019 12:14 pm
Jane Smith wrote:
Wed Aug 21, 2019 11:59 am
This was recommend on YouTube
There's lots of crazy ideas on YouTube :D
Jane Smith wrote:
Wed Aug 21, 2019 11:59 am
I don't understand what it does to the audio file
Basically it's like how medium wave (AM) radio stations superimpose audio onto radio waves, but rather than superimposing onto a "carrier" radio wave, it superimposes the audio onto a "carrier" very high frequency audio wave. Because adult humans are generally only able to hear sounds up to around 16000 Hz (depending on how good your hearing is and how much damage has been done by exposure to loud noise), very high frequencies (in the region of 17000 Hz) are inaudible to most people.

This is done by a process called "amplitude modulation". https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Amplitude_modulation

There's a crazy idea that people can somehow subconsciously hear the very high frequency carrier wave (even if their hearing is so badly damaged that there is zero response from the cochlea, and somehow "demodulate" the signal (even though the person may have no idea what "demodulation" is), and that the decoded speech will "reprogram" them in some way. There is zero verifiable evidence to support this crazy idea.
This at least seems to correspond somehow to what I've gathered when searching how silent subliminal messages are made. This is what I've understood silent subliminal messages to be:

* Removing the sound of the waves
* Slightly changing the Alpha wave frequency
* High pitched sounds that are out of the conscious hearing range of humans
* Same waveform as a normal song has

"The audible statements are then modulated using EQ, so that the voice can no longer be heard within the range of human hearing."

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Re: How does the "Subliminal..." plugin work?

Post by kozikowski » Wed Aug 21, 2019 6:03 pm

* Removing the sound of the waves
No. It can't do that. If it does, there's no message. What it does is translate the sound of the waves to a domain only the subconscious can understand.
* Slightly changing the Alpha wave frequency
That's another speaker or headphone problem—getting them to respond to Alpha waves at all. And you can't change the frequency a lot or they stop being Alpha waves. Did they discuss what happens when your Alpha waves and the message Alpha waves collide? Like when your head is trying to go into REM sleep? Without dreams, your body stops repairing itself.
* Same waveform as a normal song has
Before you convert it, yes. After you convert it, it will look like standard AM or radio waves.


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* High pitched sounds that are out of the conscious hearing range of humans
Right. That one's correct. The problem is how to pull all those tricks together into one environment or application—remembering there's no tests for this.

What's the goal? Do you want it to give you six-pack abs while you sleep? That would be my goal.

Koz

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Re: How does the "Subliminal..." plugin work?

Post by kozikowski » Thu Aug 22, 2019 1:04 am

OK, so it's not straight AM. Maybe single sideband-suppress carrier? I need to analyze it more.

Anyway, I recorded an Affirmation Message.

ZOOM0002BeautifulPerson.wav
(379.75 KiB) Downloaded 208 times

And ran it through the subliminal code and got this.

BeautifulPersonSub.wav
(379.75 KiB) Downloaded 215 times

So that part works—or at least does what it seems to want to do in my opinion.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VtGlmNYazTA

That would be my choice for "How Not To Produce A Video" video. I gave up watching it and just used the code as supplied. The presenter used a text to speech converter rather than recording their own voice. And then it failed. Then they said it was going to fail.

That's impressive. I think they made all the teaching production errors.

Koz

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Re: How does the "Subliminal..." plugin work?

Post by kozikowski » Thu Aug 22, 2019 1:12 am

I think the presenter made a not-obvious error. You can't go on for several sentences in subliminal. That won't stick. The message has to be very short and repeated.

Koz

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