Focus vs. Selection

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Focus vs. Selection

Post by jademan » Sat Mar 13, 2021 10:12 pm

I am trying to get a better understanding on the difference between a focused track and a track selection.

I noticed in the alpha manual here: https://alphamanual.audacityteam.org/ma ... used_track
that you have updated the definition of "Toggle Focused Track" to "Toggle selectedness of the track that has focus."

I would like to suggest making the same change on this page: https://alphamanual.audacityteam.org/ma ... _Reference

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Re: Focus vs. Selection

Post by waxcylinder » Sun Mar 14, 2021 8:53 am

It always used to fox me - and that's why I added this section on Focus versus Selection to the Selection page in the Manual
https://manual.audacityteam.org/man/aud ... html#focus
The front page has a direct link to that section under "Track focus"

Personally, I never use track focus - and have never seen a need for it, for me selection is the important issue when I'm working with tracks ...

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Re: Focus vs. Selection

Post by steve » Sun Mar 14, 2021 9:21 am

waxcylinder wrote:
Sun Mar 14, 2021 8:53 am
Personally, I never use track focus - and have never seen a need for it,
It's very important for VI users as it is the only way to navigate to a specific track when using a screen reader.
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Re: Focus vs. Selection

Post by waxcylinder » Sun Mar 14, 2021 10:24 am

steve wrote:
Sun Mar 14, 2021 9:21 am
waxcylinder wrote:
Sun Mar 14, 2021 8:53 am
Personally, I never use track focus - and have never seen a need for it,
It's very important for VI users as it is the only way to navigate to a specific track when using a screen reader.
Yes I know that - but for most sighted users Focus is an irrelevance - and can be confusing (confused me for years till Gale carefully explained it to me).

I would prefer it if Focus was something that users who need or want it can turn it on in preferences, with it being off by default.

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Re: Focus vs. Selection

Post by waxcylinder » Sun Mar 14, 2021 10:28 am

jademan wrote:
Sat Mar 13, 2021 10:12 pm
I noticed in the alpha manual here: https://alphamanual.audacityteam.org/ma ... used_track
that you have updated the definition of "Toggle Focused Track" to "Toggle selectedness of the track that has focus."

I would like to suggest making the same change on this page: https://alphamanual.audacityteam.org/ma ... _Reference
Done.

But this will not be in the 3.0.0 unless we need to make a fresh Release Candidate, RC007, if we discover a P1 blocking bug in the next week before scheduled release of 3.0.0.

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Re: Focus vs. Selection

Post by steve » Sun Mar 14, 2021 11:20 am

waxcylinder wrote:
Sun Mar 14, 2021 10:24 am
but for most sighted users Focus is an irrelevance
I agree that it has less relevance, but it is still relevant for anyone working on projects with more than one track. It appears to be largely irrelevant because for mouse users the focussed track is implicit.
  • if you click on a solo button or a mute button, you are changing the solo / mute status of "one" track, but it is irrelevant whether that track is selected or not.
  • If you press the context menu key, the context menu for one track opens, and it is irrelevant whether that track is selected or not.
  • If you press "Enter", the selection of one track will toggle on/off.
What do we call the "one" track that is being acted on? You could call it the "active" track, or the "current" track. The Audacity documentation calls it the "focused" track.
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