Add "excitement" to audio

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LivingInternet
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Re: Add "excitement" to audio

Post by LivingInternet » Sat Oct 27, 2018 11:40 pm

Thanks. I think I need some adjustment time to bring myself to go closed source ;-) I maintain freeopensourcesoftware.org. Not very well mind you, but my heart is definitely there.

If you know anyone that would be interested in building one with a relative threshold, I'd be willing to contribute a small donation.

I tinkered with Paul-L's de-esser, and at -26 dB I don't hear any muffling. Probably doing much good either. But I might go with that for now, cut this course, and see if I can talk myself into using the closed source version over the coming weeks.

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Re: Add "excitement" to audio

Post by Trebor » Sun Oct 28, 2018 12:12 am

LivingInternet wrote:
Sat Oct 27, 2018 11:40 pm
I think I need some adjustment time to bring myself to go closed source ...
There was a free "intelligent" de-esser from toneboosters ...
https://www. musicradar.com/news/tech/free-vst-au-de-esser-toneboosters-sibalance-cm-632437

I'm having a hard job finding a download though ...
http://www. toneboosters.com/tb-sibalance-cm is 404

Update : A download of Toneboosters sibalance-CM free plugin can be had,
if you're willing to go into the malware-filled dregs of the internet ...

TB Sibamce CM demo.gif
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It's excellent* : it detects sibilance regardless of volume , (it's a simplified version of their paid-for "TB-Sibalance" plugin)

[ * If sibilance is really bad you may need to give "Sibalance CM" two goes at it :
it's had the "TB-Sibalance" controls set to moderate values, which are fixed in this simplified freebie version ]

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Re: Add "excitement" to audio

Post by LivingInternet » Sun Oct 28, 2018 1:40 am

Trebor wrote:
Sun Oct 28, 2018 12:12 am
[ * If sibilance is really bad you may need to give "Sibalance CM" two goes at it :
it's had the "TB-Sibalance" controls set to moderate values, which are fixed in this simplified freebie version ]
Very interesting. I found a way to download it from the magazine, but takes several roundabout steps, will elaborate tomorrow - will be offline for 12 hours or so.

Ref your comment above, not sure what you mean by the controls are set but fixed in the freebie version?

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Re: Add "excitement" to audio

Post by Trebor » Sun Oct 28, 2018 2:25 am

LivingInternet wrote:
Sun Oct 28, 2018 1:40 am
not sure what you mean by the controls are set but fixed in the freebie version?
"TB-Sibalance" was the paid-for version where all the controls can be adjusted,
like frequency-range, compression-ratio , release-time, etc ...

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"Sibalance CM" has the same engine under the hood, but the hood is welded shut, so you can't tinker with it.
Settings like compression-ratio have been set to a moderate value, and are not user-adjustable.

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Re: Add "excitement" to audio

Post by Trebor » Sun Oct 28, 2018 2:55 am

Minor problem with "Sibalance CM" in Audacity ...
Like many VST plug-in effects in Audacity, how it sounds the real-time preview is not how it sounds when applied.

The applied effect is much weaker.

Workaround: apply the effect repeatedly, ("Ctrl" +"R").

[ Possibly an unintentional loop going on where the effect is repeatedly applied in the real-time preview.
It's not a case of the plugin only applying the default settings, I checked ].

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Re: Add "excitement" to audio

Post by LivingInternet » Sun Oct 28, 2018 12:40 pm

Trebor wrote:
Sun Oct 28, 2018 2:55 am
Minor problem with "Sibalance CM" in Audacity ...
Like many VST plug-in effects in Audacity, how it sounds the real-time preview is not how it sounds when applied.

The applied effect is much weaker.

Workaround: apply the effect repeatedly, ("Ctrl" +"R").
I will be putting this in a macro, since I have so many files to process. Any suggestions on how many times I should repeat it?

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Re: Add "excitement" to audio

Post by LivingInternet » Sun Oct 28, 2018 1:01 pm

Here is how I got the Sibilance CM plug-in, found by Trebor, described here:

https://www.musicradar.com/news/tech/fr ... -cm-632437

First, get the Feb 2016 issue of Computer Music magazine (CAD $2.24 for me). The links to the iOS store and Google Play are on this page, or just search those stores for it:

https://www.musicradar.com/news/tech/co ... 016-632439

Here is the direct Google Play link, however note that this might just take you to the latest issue, so you might need to scroll down and go to back issues, and find issue 226, or Feb 2016:

https://play.google.com/store/newsstand ... jWAQ&hl=en

Then go to the FileSilo page that hosts the plug-in, here:
https://www.filesilo.co.uk/software/sibalance-cm/

Click "UNLOCK CONTENT". Step through the steps it takes you through, to register an account with FileSilo, click Unlock at least one more time, and then it will ask a question, like "What is the word after 'tone' in the headline on page 88?". I got it wrong the first time since I bought the current issue by mistake, so it asked another, so they seem randomized.

The tricky part for me was getting the issue (make sure Feb 2016) which I'd bought on my Android to switch from continuous scroll into page mode so I could find the page it referred to. On Android that was by clicking the grey toggle button on the top right. Then once in normal page mode, swipe to the page it is asking about to find the word it wants.

Not that bad - once you know how to do it!

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Re: Add "excitement" to audio

Post by LivingInternet » Sun Oct 28, 2018 1:57 pm

All installed. Now it's setting time!

I noticed that out of the box it has amount of 50%, attack of 5 ms, and the bar on the left is at zero (not sure what this is for).

Whereas the in your post above, you have changed the amount to 100%, same attack of 5 ms, and changed the bar on the left seems to what looks like about -3. Are those the settings you would recommend?

(And as per query above, any suggestions then on how many times to invoke it?)

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Re: Add "excitement" to audio

Post by LivingInternet » Sun Oct 28, 2018 2:10 pm

Here are some tests in case they help. I used the settings in your pic of amount 100%, bar on left at about -3.

Assuming those are right (please let me know if not) the excerpts in this test apply the effect twice, three, four, and five times.

Does this data help narrow down the right approach?
Attachments
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Re: Add "excitement" to audio

Post by Trebor » Sun Oct 28, 2018 2:32 pm

LivingInternet wrote:
Sun Oct 28, 2018 1:57 pm
I noticed that out of the box it has amount of 50%, attack of 5 ms, and the bar on the left is at zero (not sure what this is for).
The orange pointer on the left edge is the threshold control.
LivingInternet wrote:
Sun Oct 28, 2018 1:57 pm
... the settings you would recommend?
(And as per query above, any suggestions then on how many times to invoke it?)
I suggest it be applied twice at these settings ...

suggested settings if applied twice.png
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It will sound too much (lispy) in the preview, but the applied effect is less.

As previously, a little bit of treble-boost after de-ess to add presence is beneficial.

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