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Trebor
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Re: Add "excitement" to audio

Post by Trebor » Fri Oct 26, 2018 3:04 pm

LivingInternet wrote:
Fri Oct 26, 2018 3:00 pm
Is there a formula or way to determine what applying -26 to the -29 amounts to, such as just do -30 once?
No formula , just trial & error : applying the Paul-L's DeEsser once, but at lower thresholds : -30, -31, -32 ...

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Re: Add "excitement" to audio

Post by LivingInternet » Fri Oct 26, 2018 4:49 pm

Ok, I tried several options, and think it is one of the attached: first is -31 dB, second -32 dB, third -33 dB.

Since you heard -29, if you think -31 is too much, it must be -30. And if you think -33 is not enough, it must be -34!

What say you?

And anything else you think it needs?
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Re: Add "excitement" to audio

Post by Trebor » Fri Oct 26, 2018 5:20 pm

LivingInternet wrote:
Fri Oct 26, 2018 4:49 pm
Since you heard -29, if you think -31 is too much, it must be -30. And if you think -33 is not enough, it must be -34!
-33 is very close to the settings I would chose.
The difference is small, but audible to me , & visible ...

''-33'' versus my preference, (very similar).gif
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-34 looks like the magic number.

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Re: Add "excitement" to audio

Post by LivingInternet » Fri Oct 26, 2018 5:56 pm

Trebor wrote:
Fri Oct 26, 2018 5:20 pm
-33 is very close to the settings I would chose.
The difference is small, but audible to me , & visible ...
These dB are very subtle things! Here it is at -34, and -35. What do you think?
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Re: Add "excitement" to audio

Post by Trebor » Fri Oct 26, 2018 6:32 pm

LivingInternet wrote:
Fri Oct 26, 2018 5:56 pm
These dB are very subtle things! Here it is at -34, and -35. What do you think?
-35 is perfect IMO.

One final thing : I'd add a -4dB (soft) limiter to the end of your current chain ...

final-step add -4dB limiiter.gif
-4dB soft limin on "-35" , no make-up gain
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It cuts back the volume of the louder parts.

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Re: Add "excitement" to audio

Post by LivingInternet » Sat Oct 27, 2018 7:22 pm

I'm trying to put together a post with the consolidated chain.

However, I think I'm discovering one size does not fit all. For a track I just processed, there is some significant muffling, for example in the attachment in the word "Risks" half way into the excerpt, in the sentence "risks differ from issues".

Do you think this might be because for this track the de-essing is too strong, or could it be something else missing or too much?
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Re: Add "excitement" to audio

Post by LivingInternet » Sat Oct 27, 2018 8:46 pm

I think it is the de-essing. I tried backing it off and the muffling seems to be less to my approximate ears, but of course the S'ing is more.

I'm not sure what to do, since these issues seem to be so inter-related. Do you have any suggestions for something "workable", that definitely does not muffle, and has ok de-essing? I've attached a sample with excerpts using (a) -30 db, (b) -28 dB, (c) -26 dB, (d) no de-essing or EQ boost at all. Many thanks for any suggestions
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Re: Add "excitement" to audio

Post by Trebor » Sat Oct 27, 2018 10:04 pm

LivingInternet wrote:
Sat Oct 27, 2018 7:22 pm
However, I think I'm discovering one size does not fit all. For a track I just processed, there is some significant muffling, for example in the attachment in the word "Risks" half way into the excerpt, in the sentence "risks differ from issues".
That sounds like the DeEsser has carved too much from the second "risks".
probably because it was louder than the first "risks".

Paul-L's DeEsser has an absolute threshold, rather than a relative one,
so if a sibilant word is loud it will shave too much sibilance off of it.

Solution: Professional replacement for Paul-L's DeEsser ...

Here's an "Intelligent" Professional DeEsser plugin, which has relative threshold ...
https: //www .fabfilter.com/download/#download-pro-ds-de-esser-plug-in

FabFilter PRO DeEsser.gif
NB: red DeEsser level (far right) occurs on loud & quiet versions of same audio.
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I just tested it in Audacity on Windows : it * works fine. It will DeEss a lot faster than Paul-L's

Free 30 day trial. Now the bad news : if you want to buy it, it costs ~US$170, just for one plugin. :o

If you can get the project done in 30 days, no cost.

[ * NB: Only 32-bit plugins work in Audacity, even if your computer is 64 bit,
so only install the 32-bit "VST" version of "FabFilter Pro-DS" , (NOT the "VST3" version)].

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Re: Add "excitement" to audio

Post by LivingInternet » Sat Oct 27, 2018 10:37 pm

Trebor wrote:
Sat Oct 27, 2018 10:04 pm
Here's an "Intelligent" Professional DeEsser plugin, which has relative threshold ...
https: //www .fabfilter.com/download/#download-pro-ds-de-esser-plug-in

Free 30 day trial. Now the bad news : if you want to buy it, it costs ~US$170, just for one plugin. :o
Thanks. I'm majorly torn. I want to get this audio done well. But I'm also a huge open source supporter.

If I was to use this pro version, do I need to set any particular settings, or was your pic what is needed?

If I was to use Paul-L's, I guess just back off the threshold dB rating until the best compromise I can find?

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Re: Add "excitement" to audio

Post by Trebor » Sat Oct 27, 2018 11:27 pm

LivingInternet wrote:
Sat Oct 27, 2018 10:37 pm
If I was to use this pro version, do I need to set any particular settings, or was your pic what is needed?
Use the settings in the animation : it's the wave-form of your audio which appears in it, (twice, at two different levels).
Unlike Steve's & Paul-L's DeEssers it's a real-time plugin : change the settings and you can immediately hear the consequence, so very quick to find the optimum values.
LivingInternet wrote:
Sat Oct 27, 2018 10:37 pm
If I was to use Paul-L's, I guess just back off the threshold dB rating until the best compromise I can find?
You'd have to tightly control the volume of the audio you presented to Paul-L's DeEsser to get consistent results.
Whatever sibilance it encounters above the (absolute) threshold, it will reduce that threshold.
So very quiet audio won't get DeEssed at all, & very loud audio will have too much gouged out of it.

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