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Trebor
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Re: Add "excitement" to audio

Post by Trebor » Fri Oct 26, 2018 12:20 am

LivingInternet wrote:
Thu Oct 25, 2018 10:49 pm
Does the following make sense?

1. Change tempo
2. Change pitch
3. RMS normalize
4. Limiter
5. EQ remove rattle <-- should this be done before normalize, even first?
6. Boost EQ
7. Paul de-ess

8. Ozone and mix to pseudo stereo
9. Limit again if (8) introduced clipping.
I think the rattle-reduction EQ was based on audio you had pitch-shifted, if so then it must come after "change pitch".

IMO De-essing should come before "Boost EQ" (i.e. before treble-boost/presence).

The final step should be RMS normalize, then limiter, (not just limiter).
Then the output of your chain will have a consistent volume from one batch to the next.

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Re: Add "excitement" to audio

Post by LivingInternet » Fri Oct 26, 2018 1:44 am

Ok, here's the order I applied:

1. Change tempo
2. Change pitch
3. EQ remove rattle
4. Paul de-ess
5. Boost EQ
6. Ozone and mix to pseudo stereo
7. RMS normalize
8. Limit

(I will post all the settings in one consolidated message for the final version.)

Result attached. Better? Any improvements required?
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Re: Add "excitement" to audio

Post by Trebor » Fri Oct 26, 2018 3:28 am

LivingInternet wrote:
Fri Oct 26, 2018 1:44 am
Result attached. Better? Any improvements required?
ATTACHMENTS audio-excerpt1.wav (1.58 MiB)
That sounds quite good, no rattle on that one, but needs more de-ess IMO
More frequency bands will do it , but that means longer processing-time ...

New settings for Paul-L's DeEsser, now 20 bands, & only up to 10kHz.png
New settings for Paul-L's DeEsser, now 20 bands, & only up to 10kHz.png (13.22 KiB) Viewed 131 times
alternatively leave the settings on Paul-L as is, & add-on Steve's DeEsser, (on "reasonable" settings), to the existing chain, which will be quicker than increasing from 5 to 20 bands on Paul-L, but the results are less precise ...

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Re: Add "excitement" to audio

Post by LivingInternet » Fri Oct 26, 2018 11:47 am

Yes, moving from 5 to 20 bands increases the time significantly. But in for a penny, in for a pound. Might as well do it right.

Here is the result. Any better? Any additional improvements you recommend?
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Re: Add "excitement" to audio

Post by Trebor » Fri Oct 26, 2018 12:28 pm

LivingInternet wrote:
Fri Oct 26, 2018 11:47 am
Here is the result. Any better? Any additional improvements you recommend?
ATTACHMENTS audio-excerpt1.wav (1.57 MiB)
Almost perfect , but personally I'd lower the de-esser threshold a bit more : by 1 or 2.

When I apply the Paul-L de-esser settings above to that it still manages to shave off a noticeable amount of sibilance.

I'm not suggesting you use the Paul-L de-esser twice, but that you use it once with a slightly lower threshold so it removes more.

Basically lower the de-esser threshold until you've gone too far, then back it up by say 3dB from the "too far" setting.
That's how I set the de-esser threshold.

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Re: Add "excitement" to audio

Post by LivingInternet » Fri Oct 26, 2018 12:32 pm

Trebor wrote:
Fri Oct 26, 2018 12:28 pm
Almost perfect , but personally I'd lower the de-esser threshold a bit more : by 1 or 2.
Ok. Does "lower the threshold" mean lowering the threshold setting from -26 dB in your previous post to -27 or -28, as the only setting to change?

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Re: Add "excitement" to audio

Post by Trebor » Fri Oct 26, 2018 12:51 pm

LivingInternet wrote:
Fri Oct 26, 2018 12:32 pm
Does "lower the threshold" mean lowering the threshold setting from -26 dB in your previous post to -27 or -28, as the only setting to change?
Yes : try -27, -28, -29 ... until the sibilance is not intrusively loud.
LivingInternet wrote:
Fri Oct 26, 2018 12:32 pm
... only setting to change?
Note the upper frequency threshold is 10000Hz , at one point it was set at 14000Hz.
Applying rattle-reduction equalization means there is no excess sibilance above 10000Hz,

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Re: Add "excitement" to audio

Post by LivingInternet » Fri Oct 26, 2018 1:42 pm

Trebor wrote:
Fri Oct 26, 2018 12:51 pm
Yes : try -27, -28, -29 ... until the sibilance is not intrusively loud.
I'm pretty sure I don't have the sensitivity to these frequencies to make a good assessment. So I tried -28 in audio-excerpt1, and -29 in audio-excerpt2 attached. Do either of these sound better, or do you think more is required?
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Re: Add "excitement" to audio

Post by Trebor » Fri Oct 26, 2018 2:54 pm

LivingInternet wrote:
Fri Oct 26, 2018 1:42 pm
I'm pretty sure I don't have the sensitivity to these frequencies to make a good assessment. So I tried -28 in audio-excerpt1, and -29 in audio-excerpt2 attached. Do either of these sound better, or do you think more is required?
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audio-excerpt1.wav (1.64 MiB)
audio-excerpt2.wav (1.66 MiB)
Both -28, -29 are quite acceptable, but I would still apply a bit more DeEss.
If I apply -26 to your -29 it still manages to shave-off more sibilance ...

''-29'',  -26 is still managing shave more sibilance off.gif
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LivingInternet wrote:
Fri Oct 26, 2018 1:42 pm
I'm pretty sure I don't have the sensitivity to these frequencies to make a good assessment.
The hardware & wetware you have will determine the extent of the upper frequencies you can hear.

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Re: Add "excitement" to audio

Post by LivingInternet » Fri Oct 26, 2018 3:00 pm

Trebor wrote:
Fri Oct 26, 2018 2:54 pm
Both -28, -29 are quite acceptable, but I would still apply a bit more DeEss.
If I apply -26 to your -29 it still manages to shave-off more sibilance ...
Ok, thanks. Running the de-esser twice would mean many many hours processing, which I would like to avoid since there is a fair amount of video work to do as well. Is there a formula or way to determine what applying -26 to the -29 amounts to, such as just do -30 once?

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