Mouth noise hell

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Mouth noise hell

Post by dvnobles » Tue Jul 10, 2018 8:18 pm

Mouth noise in your recording - it's very frustrating.
It's bad enough during the editing process I have to fix all the re-read areas, but I could live with that.
Mouth noises are what's really killing me now. The first thing I noticed back when I first started is at the end of every word that ends in an 'S' sound (and even many that don't), I would get a 'tick', loud enough to be bad. This is not sibilance. Sibilance is more of a hissing sound. This is my mouth/lips making a popping sound.
This is not toooo bad. It comes at the end of sentences and is easy to see. I also can manage it a bit by staying hydrated and other tricks and voodoo rituals that one does to manage mouth noises.
BUT...
More recently I have noticed noises in my recordings that are REALLY annoying. Pops and ticks and crinkly noises.....FUN. Yeah, right.
Now, definitely most, if not all, of these noises can be attributed to my mouth, cracking jaw, etc. But sometimes when I hear sharp pops and things that only show up in one single amplitude of the sine wave, I begin to suspect digital artifacts.
Changing microphones has not helped. I will test on a different computer tonight to see if I see the same issues.
In the meantime, here are a couple of samples. Digital? or voice?
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Re: Mouth noise hell

Post by dvnobles » Wed Jul 11, 2018 12:50 am

Now I know I'm not crazy...
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Re: Mouth noise hell

Post by kozikowski » Wed Jul 11, 2018 1:16 am

No, you may actually be crazy, but those are two examples of the digital system going on vacation briefly and not following the show. And both of those are different from gritty or overly peaked sound in the words.

If you get too close to a directional microphone and it's a condenser type and you use very stiff noise reduction, your voice may be nearly unuseable for theatrical production.

Post a raw sample of you performing. Do Not Change Anything. Record it, Export and Post it.

http://www.kozco.com/tech/audacity/Test ... _Clip.html


We never got the goal. Are you reading a podcast? Theatrical voice work for hire? What's the microphone? If you've been watching the forum, you know we live on part numbers and model descriptions.

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Re: Mouth noise hell

Post by steve » Wed Jul 11, 2018 10:14 am

dvnobles wrote:
Wed Jul 11, 2018 12:50 am
Now I know I'm not crazy...
That's commonly known as a "drop out". As Koz wrote, it occurs when the sound cannot get from being a sound, to being data on the hard drive, fast enough. A bottleneck somewhere is preventing the computer from writing all of the data before the next data arrives, so some of the data is dropped (lost), leaving a "hole" in the waveform where that data should have been.

The version of Audacity and the operating system are important factors in this issue. Which version of Audacity are you using, and which operating system?

Some information that is relevant specifically to macOS: https://manual.audacityteam.org/man/faq ... ac_crackle

Some more general information about the issue: https://manual.audacityteam.org/man/faq ... html#skips

and more detailed information here: https://wiki.audacityteam.org/wiki/Mana ... nd_Drivers
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Re: Mouth noise hell

Post by dvnobles » Wed Jul 11, 2018 2:59 pm

steve wrote:
Wed Jul 11, 2018 10:14 am

That's commonly known as a "drop out".
Thanks! Those links have some good info on settings in Audacity and Windows that I need to look closer at.

Strangely enough, and I didn't even want to mention this, but in my most recent recordings, I'm also getting occasional "farting"-type noises. It's not me! I promise! It's not my stomach either, but they sound like they could only be human noises. No way to fix them in post, either. Has to be a re-record. I've thought possibly it is my chair making noises I am not aware of, but man it sounds like it is 2 inches from the mic. Bizarre. I'll try to collect some of the noises if you all want a good laugh. The first couple were funny to me too...now, not so much.

Audacity version 2.2.2.
The laptop is Windows 7 (I know, not good for audio recording, but it's what I have right now).

btw...anyone have any suggestions on non-computer recording equipment?

To answer Koz's earlier question about the goal...
audiobook production (which is why I posted in this section of the forums ;) )

//Dan

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Re: Mouth noise hell

Post by dvnobles » Wed Jul 11, 2018 3:31 pm

I get these, too. I thought these were mouth noises, but is it really possible to have a mouth noise that only appears in a millisecond instance of the single sine wave oscillation???

Raw recording attached for your listening pleasure...

I'm really starting to think I'm going to have to re-record this entire book. :shock:

//Dan
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Re: Mouth noise hell

Post by dvnobles » Wed Jul 11, 2018 3:59 pm

Here's another example and it might be a good one.

The first part to me seems like the 'drop-out' issue, evidenced by the sharp popping.
The second part has more 'crinkly' or treble-y pops to it, which makes me think those are mouth noises, but I don't know, maybe those are drop-outs too.
So frustrating...this recording is toast.

//Dan
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Re: Mouth noise hell

Post by kozikowski » Wed Jul 11, 2018 8:16 pm

btw...anyone have any suggestions on non-computer recording equipment?
That is the logical alternative, isn't it? I would give anything to be able to supply an equipment list, but I can't.

The obvious choice is record on your phone. I'm still struggling with that. There was a recent poster who tried recording on her Android phone and it was a nightmare. She couldn't find all the settings to keep the phone from beating her voice black and blue.

I have reverse problem. I have no trouble recording a very nice quality voice recording with iPhone Music Memo (which is designed for this sort of thing), but neither I nor the Apple store can get the work out of the phone and into my Mac to edit and process it (that's on-going). Also there's the side issue that they used an odd sound format. I can't get completely upset over this because the format they used is terrific. It's not just recognized by anybody else.

Son of a [email protected]#$%.

Scene shifts to the Olympus WS-823 personal recorder. I'm up to three. Terrific recorder and I can do a good job recording a test audiobook recording.

It's discontinued. If you search for it, they shunt you off to a simple, consumer recorder with no known talents.

Then, we assume after an uproar, they brought it back—at twice the price.

I agree with you. If some misguided soul gave me a recording contract, I would not be using a computer to do it.

And I'm not alone. There was that This American Life show where an audiobook reader locked herself in a hotel closet by accident. She was using a small personal recorder and just brought it in with her and a quilt.


I would be going through all the computer hygiene tricks. When was the last time you did a disk optimization? How full is the drive? How are you reading the work? Are you reading it on the screen? So that's two different things you have running on the machine. Any more? Can you clean restart the machine? Shift-Shutdown rather than straight Shutdown or Restart.

As above, these are artifacts of the machine not being able to keep up with your work. Make the machine as clean as possible, make sure there's tons of defragmented drive space. Only run Audacity. Print out the scrip if you have to.

Disconnect the network. Shut down BlueTooth and Wifi.

Make sure all the microphone connections are clean. Unplug and replug several times. You may need to tell Audacity to find the microphone again if you do that.

There's nothing wrong with Win7. I used one for sound services for years at work.

You have something broken and it feels like machine overload.

Koz

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Re: Mouth noise hell

Post by kozikowski » Wed Jul 11, 2018 8:19 pm

There is one more evil possibility. When was the last time you did the supervisory virus check? That's the one where you start it and go out for dinner or to bed. It takes the machine away from you for a long time and checks everything thoroughly. You can't be using it when it does that.

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Re: Mouth noise hell

Post by dvnobles » Wed Jul 11, 2018 11:42 pm

kozikowski wrote:
Wed Jul 11, 2018 8:16 pm
I have reverse problem. I have no trouble recording a very nice quality voice recording with iPhone Music Memo (which is designed for this sort of thing), but neither I nor the Apple store can get the work out of the phone and into my Mac to edit and process it (that's on-going).
hmmmm...I'm intrigued. What type of mic and connection do you have? And what recording app?

I just looked into this a bit and Voice Record Pro outputs to .wav (as well as others) and is highly rated. And looks like they have tons of ways to offload it.

//Dan

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