2020 UPDATE - BEST DE-ESSER PLUG-INS

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Engineerer
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2020 UPDATE - BEST DE-ESSER PLUG-INS

Post by Engineerer » Mon Jan 13, 2020 4:48 am

I'm wrestling with getting some good de-essing, for a spoken vocal track (think: podcast type), and I'm getting the opposite of what I want, when trying the Spitfish de-esser (my post-processing track seems to show what it took out, rather than what I want it to leave behind).
I'm ready to buy a plug-in, if it's good enough, but I don't know which one to buy. With this being the start of a brand new decade, I'd say it's time to get some expert input and updates on the best currently-available de-esser plug-ins, and/or on any equalizer graphs that can effectively do the same things.
So . . . I'd appreciate it enormously if any experts would weigh in, with any opinions on the best de-essers, in each of the following cost categories:

Free (I'll edit this post, or add another, with a link to a thread on Spitfish, which is free; maybe I'll get an answer there).

Less than $100, such as:
Accusonus ERA De-Esser ($59 from places such as sweetwater.com)

More than $100, such as:
Soothe, by OEKSound, $149: https://oeksound.com/plugins/soothe/)

Equalizer curves?
I can't help but suspect that if one were to create (and then store) an equalizer curve which rolls off somewhere about 6 khz,
that likely would provide an answer to this problem with about a 70 to 90 percent quality level, compared to a purchased program. Can anyone post a screen-grab, showing such a curve which they have tested, and optimized?

Trebor
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Re: 2020 UPDATE - BEST DE-ESSER PLUG-INS

Post by Trebor » Mon Jan 13, 2020 5:29 am

Engineerer wrote:
Mon Jan 13, 2020 4:48 am
... I'm getting the opposite of what I want, when trying the Spitfish de-esser (my post-processing track seems to show what it took out, rather than what I want it to leave behind).
Sounds like you've clicked on the "listen" button on SpitFish, which plays what's being removed.

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If the problem is whistling esses, those require surgical-precision, (SpitFish can't do that).
Paul-L's free DeEsser plugin is capable of dealing with those ... viewtopic.php?p=255692#p255692

TB Sibilance CM* is is a very good free DeEsser: IMO as good as $50 -$100 DeEsser plugins. (It won't cure Herbert-level whistles though).

[* Windows & Mac]

Engineerer
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Re: 2020 UPDATE - BEST DE-ESSER PLUG-INS

Post by Engineerer » Tue Jan 14, 2020 9:11 am

A VERY helpful response - many thanks!!
I also got this email from a professional musician (both stage and studio; he actually has a PhD in some branch of music, and he does studio work (arranging, mixing, etc) when not on the road:
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I would suggest one of the Waves plugins (Waves.com). They essentially have 3 de-esser plugins available as VST plugins (which you should be able to use in Audible). De-esser, Renaissance De-esser, and Sibilance. They all do essentially the same thing, but in a little different way. I have used the 1st two with great success before, Sibilance is just a newer/more advanced version that you may or may not need. I would suggest going to the website, spend 10-15 mins looking at the short tutorial videos for each one, and grabbing the one you like. Again, they'll all get the job done (assuming I understand the job) and are very easy to use. They are currently on sale (Waves plugins are always on sale!) for $30, $40, and $50.

bobmccoy
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Re: 2020 UPDATE - BEST DE-ESSER PLUG-INS

Post by bobmccoy » Tue May 05, 2020 9:12 pm

Always check the list of compatible software. Most Waves plug-ins are not compatible with Audacity. And don't assume it was just an oversight. It's legit.

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Re: 2020 UPDATE - BEST DE-ESSER PLUG-INS

Post by llopardi » Mon Mar 01, 2021 6:45 pm

I had been experimenting with simple repairs for spot-fixing extreme sibilance/whistle. The roll-off curves suggested above can work, but you have to analyze the area and really limit the repair to the painful spot - which usually starts a fraction after the first "s" sound and can continue as a kind of echo distortion for a fraction afterwards. I made samples of the moment (about a half second, within a 2-minute clip) before and after fixing, with screen shots of the EQ curve used, saved as De-S-MedHvy, and 2 shots of the rough waveform. The 5 files are in this drop link: [Files uploaded to forum by moderator]

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Trebor
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Re: 2020 UPDATE - BEST DE-ESSER PLUG-INS

Post by Trebor » Sun Mar 07, 2021 6:45 am

llopardi wrote:
Mon Mar 01, 2021 6:45 pm
I had been experimenting with simple repairs for spot-fixing extreme sibilance/whistle. The roll-off curves suggested above can work, but you have to analyze the area and really limit the repair to the painful spot - which usually starts a fraction after the first "s" sound and can continue as a kind of echo distortion for a fraction afterwards ...
Spot fixing is easier with Audacity's built-in spectral editing tools ...

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Felipe Zanabria
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Re: 2020 UPDATE - BEST DE-ESSER PLUG-INS

Post by Felipe Zanabria » Wed Mar 24, 2021 5:45 pm

Look this plug-in. The sugested center frequency is 4000 hz. De-Esser by Steve on my topic

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