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Taking into account the solo/mute button settings would not break the rule. Muting should really be treated no differently from having an amplitude envelope at (linear) zero.Gale Andrews wrote:Presumably so that the rule of those first order menu items working on selected tracks is maintained?
I am not sure I agree, though it's a fine judgement.steve wrote:An interesting point.Gale Andrews wrote:I noticed that duplicating tracks does not respect "Simple" Solo button mode. Duplicate one soloed and one muted tracks and you now have two soloed tracks that breaks the "Simple" rule of only one track soloed.
It's not actually breaking any rules because the "Simple" solo button behaviour does support soloing multiple tracks (shift + click). "One solo track only" is just the default (click with no modifier key) behaviour.
It looks to me that duplicating tracks does the right thing in that it "clones" the tracks (makes an exact copy), including their envelopes, pan, gain, name, view, mute and solo.
Seems to me it exactly breaks that rule. Unless you mean a track has to be mute button not down and selected to be mixed/rendered. If so, doesn't that defeat the purpose of the suggestion?steve wrote:Taking into account the solo/mute button settings would not break the rule.Gale Andrews wrote:Presumably so that the rule of those first order menu items working on selected tracks is maintained?
In that case, I don't understand what you mean by "that rule". Perhaps you could explain in more detail what "that rule" is and how it is being broken.Gale Andrews wrote:Seems to me it exactly breaks that rule.
Not exactly. The "shift" modifier modifies the click behaviour in the selected mode. It does not switch the mode. In other words, it is not overriding the Preference setting, it is providing a modified behaviour within the currently selected preference mode. Each "solo button mode" (selected in Preferences) has a number of different behaviours: left click mute, left click solo, shift+click mute, shift + click solo. The behaviours are defined for each of the two modes. The "mode" is selected in Preferences.Gale Andrews wrote:The SHIFT-click when in Simple mode effectively changes to Multi-track mode
That is what I meant by "effectively". I can see it is not changing the preference by using SHIFT in Multi-track mode. However to a user in Simple mode it probably "looks" like SHIFT is changing the preference.steve wrote:Not exactly.Gale Andrews wrote:The SHIFT-click when in Simple mode effectively changes to Multi-track mode
Most Tracks menu items work on the selected tracks (which is why the suggestion was made).steve wrote:In that case, I don't understand what you mean by "that rule". Perhaps you could explain in more detail what "that rule" is and how it is being broken.Gale Andrews wrote:Seems to me it exactly breaks that rule.
I didn't suggest that it "does nothing" with those tracks. I suggested that it treats them as muted tracks when they are muted, just as it treats them as tracks with envelopes when they are tracks with envelopes, and like it treats muted tracks as muted tracks on Export. I find it is strange that Audacity doesn't treat muted tracks as muted tracks when "mixing" from the Tracks menu, but does when mixing on export.Gale Andrews wrote: That being so I would not expect either Mix and Render item in the root of the menu to do nothing on those two selected tracks.
A muted (single) track on Export is no export - nothing happens except a warning message. Are you suggesting that Mix and Render silences the muted track, or its part in the mix?steve wrote:I didn't suggest that it "does nothing" with those tracks. I suggested that it treats them as muted tracks when they are muted, just as it treats them as tracks with envelopes when they are tracks with envelopes, and like it treats muted tracks as muted tracks on Export.Gale Andrews wrote: That being so I would not expect either Mix and Render item in the root of the menu to do nothing on those two selected tracks.
I think we have discussed something like that before, trying to address that what you hear is not always what you export.steve wrote:On a hardware mixer there are often separate "main" and "monitor" mixes. We don't do that in Audacity because to do it properly requires two sound cards.Robert J. H. wrote:One thing that would be extremely helpful to me were the ability to enable/disable the pan (and gain) sliders for all tracks temporarily, a sort of bypass.
On a hardware mixer where there are separate "main" and "monitor" mixes it is often possible to "solo" a track in the monitor mix without affecting the main (out front) mix, and this "soloed" monitor mix is often pre-pan, pre-fader.
A "possible" way that we could do something similar in Audacity would be to have an optional third button called "Monitor" (disabled by default). When enabled and pressed down, you would hear the raw track data for that track.
Thinking about it, this could be a more useful alternative to the "bounce tracks" idea. If the "monitor" button is down on all selected tracks, then "mix down" would be the same as the proposed "bounce tracks".