Misbehaving on Ventura

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Misbehaving on Ventura

Post by jarome » Tue Oct 25, 2022 1:53 pm

I updated to MacOS Ventura yesterday. Labeling no longer works properly.
I usually have the name of a classical composition saved from some track listing (cmd-c).
I add a label (cmd-b) and then paste the composition name into it (cmd-v). In Monterey, the mouse cursor was at the end of the pasted label, so I could just type in the movement name (for example). But in Ventura, I must click on the end of the pasted label. I can then type 1 character. The cursor then is removed from the label field, and I must click it again to type the rest of the label.
Audacity 3.2.1 for ARM

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Re: Misbehaving on Ventura

Post by billw58 » Tue Oct 25, 2022 10:21 pm

What I'm seeing with macOS 13, both Intel and ARM, is that shortcut keystrokes are not being captured by the label being edited, but instead trigger the action. For example, typing a space while editing a label causes Audacity to begin playing.

I've just upgraded my MacBook and iMac to Ventura, so I can't test if this behaviour existed with Audacity 3.2.1 on macOS 12.

-- Bill

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Re: Misbehaving on Ventura

Post by billw58 » Wed Oct 26, 2022 2:36 am

Well, I tried this on my partner's Macbook which is still running macOS 12.6. Running 3.2.1 on that Macbook there is no problem editing labels.

I noticed that on macOS 13, when I do command+B to open a label, the label track does not have the yellow focus border. But even after clicking in the label to get the focus border on the label track, editing is still a problem (it is hard to describe - sometimes keystrokes trigger actions, sometimes characters are added to the label). If I delete the label track the one remaining audio track does not get the yellow focus border.

Very strange.

-- Bill

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Re: Misbehaving on Ventura

Post by jarome » Thu Oct 27, 2022 1:28 pm

This makes it really hard to edit labels!
Please Fix!!!!

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Re: Misbehaving on Ventura

Post by notsofeo » Fri Oct 28, 2022 9:25 pm

It seems that after cmd-b, the label is created
but the window focus is lost.
That's why the keys you think are going into the label are
instead interpreted as keystrokes for shortcuts etc.

Ventura also broke Malwarebytes, though a Malwarebytes beta has fixed it.

I tremble to think what will be the next Ventura BS we encounter.

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Re: Misbehaving on Ventura

Post by notsofeo » Fri Oct 28, 2022 9:31 pm

Pre-Ventura I was at 12.6.0.
Someone reported that Malwarebytes was broken by 12.6.1.
So probably we have to revert to 12.6.0 for Audacity too.

Maybe I'll try that.

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Re: Misbehaving on Ventura

Post by billw58 » Sat Oct 29, 2022 1:24 am

notsofeo wrote:
Fri Oct 28, 2022 9:25 pm
It seems that after cmd-b, the label is created
but the window focus is lost.
That's why the keys you think are going into the label are
instead interpreted as keystrokes for shortcuts etc.
That's what I meant by the "yellow focus border".
-- Bill

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Re: Misbehaving on Ventura

Post by notsofeo » Sat Oct 29, 2022 2:46 am

billw58 wrote:
Sat Oct 29, 2022 1:24 am
notsofeo wrote:
Fri Oct 28, 2022 9:25 pm
It seems that after cmd-b, the label is created
but the window focus is lost.
That's why the keys you think are going into the label are
instead interpreted as keystrokes for shortcuts etc.
That's what I meant by the "yellow focus border".
-- Bill
The entire window loses focus: the window size buttons top left go grey.

A further observation: the problem arises if the label is created via the menu pick; cmd-b itself is not the culprit.
As you said: very strange!

Expecting more trouble with more apps, I looked into downgrading OSX ... looks very messy.
A bit of irony here, I only intended to go to 12.6.1, but the upgrade was hijacked by Ventura.

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Re: Misbehaving on Ventura

Post by billw58 » Sat Oct 29, 2022 3:16 pm

notsofeo wrote:
Sat Oct 29, 2022 2:46 am
The entire window loses focus: the window size buttons top left go grey.
Good observation. And it gets worse:

Open a new project and do Generate > Chirp.
While the Chirp dialog is on screen obviously the project window does not have focus.
Click the Generate button.
The project window briefly gets focus (window size buttons are active, generated track has yellow border), then loses focus
Switch to another application then back to Audacity - project window has focus
Delete the track using the "X" button in the track control panel - window loses focus

And on it goes.

So it appears the problem is deeper than label editing, and instead a general failure to maintain focus? And this has appeared with macOS 13 (lucky 13?)

-- Bill

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Re: Misbehaving on Ventura

Post by billw58 » Sun Oct 30, 2022 7:41 pm

This behaviour of the window losing focus goes back to at least Audacity 3.0.0 when running on macOS 13.0.

Start 3.0.0
Start recording
Stop recording using the space bar
- window widgets at upper left are grey, no yellow focus border.

-- Bill

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