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Re: URGENT - Focusrite Scarlett 2i2 "latency" issues -

Posted: Wed Apr 11, 2018 8:35 am
by raddy59
Thanks Koz

Did that - played the backing click track back through the mic and adjusted the prefs.

One thing - the latency adjust puts an equivalent "silent" patch at the start of the recorded line. It doesn't always do this with every track and I wonder why?

Another thing that spooked us - when testing for latency the played back click coming BEFORE the generated click - what's that all about :)

Will persevere today - we'll try and deliver something to the guy and see if we can salvage something. Prob. be doing a lot of timeshifting

Do you know of a program similar to Audacity that doesn't have this problem? Thinking of brushing up on Ableton

Cheers

Re: URGENT - Focusrite Scarlett 2i2 "latency" issues -

Posted: Thu Apr 12, 2018 5:16 pm
by steve
Here's my "easy way" to set up latency correction...


Firstly, ensure that the prerequisites are all in place:
1) Does Audacity record via the microphone? If yes, proceed, else fix this first.
2) Can I hear the recording through my headphones when I play it back? If yes, proceed, else fix this first.
3) Can I hear myself through my headphones without a delay or echo? If yes, proceed, else fix this first.
4) Can you record a second track (shift + R) and hear the first track play while the first track is recording? If yes, proceed, else fix this first.

So when that's all working, move on to latency correction:

a) "Edit menu > Preferences > Devices" -> Set "Track shift after record" to 0 (zero). Then click OK. (Buffer length should normally be about 100, but don't adjust this if microphone recording is working OK)
b) Generate a 30 second click track with "Generate menu > Rhythm track". Set the "Beat sound" to "Ping".
c) Place you headphones close to the microphone (as in Koz's previous image, and press "Shift + R" to start recording to a new track.
d) Allow the recording to run for 6 or 7 seconds, then stop the recording (spacebar).

You should now have a recording that looks something like this:
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Note that the clicks in the newly recorded track are after the clicks in the original track.

e) Zoom in on one of the strong beats, and select from the start of that strong beat in the first track, to the start of the strong beat in the recoded track, like this (click image to expand):
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Note that the "Length of selection" in my example is 188 ms (your will probably be different).
This is our initial measurement for the amount of "round trip" latency.

Because we need to shift the newly recorded track to the left (earlier), we need to adjust the position by -188 ms (minus one hundred and eighty eight).

f) "Edit > Preferences > Devices" -> Set "Track shift after record" to the negative of the measurement. (In my case, I set it to "-188"). Press OK to close the Prefs window.

g) Ctrl + Z to undo the recording.

h) Select the first track and set it to "Solo" (click the track "Solo" button).

i) Shift + R to record a new track, then stop after a few seconds.
j) Repeat step (i) so that you have several tracks one above the other like this:
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Note that it is normal for there to be a little variation from one track to the next, but with a reasonable sound card the variation should be small, perhaps varying by around +/- 1 ms.
  • If the average position of each click in the recorded tracks line up with the original track, you're done.
  • If the average position is a millisecond later than the original, then you need to tweak the "Track shift after record" amount by another -1 ms (in my case that would be -189).
  • If the average position is a millisecond earlier than the original, then you need to tweak the "Track shift after record" by +1 ms (in my case that would be -187).
If there is more than a few ms variation in the recorded track positions, then something is wrong with your sound card.

Re: URGENT - Focusrite Scarlett 2i2 "latency" issues -

Posted: Thu Apr 12, 2018 8:16 pm
by kozikowski
something is wrong with your sound card.
That's not mentioned in the instructions, but if your time matching wanders from one day to the next (or even hour by hour), then there may be something serious wrong with your machine.

If you do get wandering, it's good to know a little about it. Say you set it all up, but the first real test wanders and is clearly different from your setup. Does a third test wander, too, or do tracks two and three match?

One other mistake some performers make is being too precise. I saw one performer changing the settings down the atomic level of his computer. That's guaranteed to fail because we're not using Audio Workstations here. We're using home machines designed for Skype, Excel, and Angry Birds. They wander. Usually, they don't wander enough to care.

Koz