How to determine if L and R channels of a stereo track are t

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How to determine if L and R channels of a stereo track are t

Post by classic35mm » Sat Sep 30, 2017 5:44 pm

Hi,

I'm running Audacity 2.1.3 on Windows 7; I used the .exe installer to install. I'm relatively new to Audacity and audio production.

I ripped an audiobook from an audio CD to an MP3 file using Windows Media Player 12. When I import the resulting MP3 file into Audacity, I see that the audio is stereo (stereo, 44100Hz, 32-bit float) -- there are L and R channels.

However, the L and R channels look identical -- their waveforms look identical. Does that suggest that I can safely convert the stereo track to mono without loss of quality? Is there a way to check that the L and R channels are indeed identical?

Thank you in advance!

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Re: How to determine if L and R channels of a stereo track a

Post by Trebor » Sat Sep 30, 2017 6:00 pm

classic35mm wrote:... Is there a way to check that the L and R channels are indeed identical? ...
Split the pair into two mono tracks via "split stereo to mono", then invert one of them, then play.

There will be total silence if they are identical : total destructive interference.

[ if you can hear faint computery noises they were probably identical before they were converted to mp3, and you're just hearing the mp3 compression-artifacts ].

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Re: How to determine if L and R channels of a stereo track a

Post by kozikowski » Sat Sep 30, 2017 6:02 pm

I ripped an audiobook from an audio CD to an MP3
First mistake. The sound on an Audio CD is perfect quality WAV, 16-bit, Stereo. You just added MP3 compression distortion to your rip for no good reason. This is a particular problem if you need to do post production. MP3 distortion gets worse at every step.

Do everything in WAV

The sound on a CD is always stereo, but it is recommended by ACX Audiobook to submit your job to them in Mono. So you are almost certainly right. The work is Mono. You can check this by splitting the stereo show into two with the dropdown menu on the left of the track. Select one of the two tracks by clicking just above MUTE. Effect > Invert. Menu > Make Stereo Track.

Tracks (top row) > Stereo to Mono.
I expect the show to vanish, the two WAV tracks are mirror images of each other. This is one of the places where MP3 may not work right.

It's possible the music interstitials, intro and outro are Stereo, so check those, but I think it's perfectly safe to reduce to Mono.

And only then convert to MP3 for your personal music device.

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Re: How to determine if L and R channels of a stereo track a

Post by classic35mm » Sat Sep 30, 2017 6:50 pm

Thank you, everyone! I'm so thankful for the helpful feedback!

I did what you said, and it seems that everything is mono except the intros, outros, and interstitials -- just as you said. So it's probably safe to convert to mono.

One follow-up question: what does Tracks > Stereo Track to Mono actually do? Does it just take the average of the L and R channels?

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Re: How to determine if L and R channels of a stereo track a

Post by kozikowski » Sat Sep 30, 2017 8:57 pm

It divides both tracks in half so they don't overload and then just smashes them together—adds them up. If they're identical, you'll get one single blue wave at identical volume.

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Re: How to determine if L and R channels of a stereo track a

Post by steve » Sat Oct 07, 2017 11:54 am

classic35mm wrote:One follow-up question: what does Tracks > Stereo Track to Mono actually do? Does it just take the average of the L and R channels?
Yes.
What it literally does, is to add the two audio channels together ("mix"), then halves the amplitude.
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