Selections, Time Shfit Tool, and Label Tracks

[Gale Andrews]

1) I'm still having trouble adding SILENCE to an audio/ label track sync pair. The Label track isn't shifting, even though it's sync'd.

If you are generating rather than pasting, I agree. I notice that it broke in 2.1.1. I will add it to Bugzilla if it's not already there.

It is also a serious lack IMO that you need to use Sync-Lock to move labels when inserting audio. It should be sufficient to select in both the label track and audio track, as when deleting audio.

3) The software should generally know and use the same File Folder when opening or exporting audio and label tracks. Currently these track open/ export functions aren't integrated as well as they are synced.

Export Labels... opens at whatever DefaultOpenPath is, as stored in audacity.cfg. DefaultOpenPath is the directory you last opened or imported an audio or label file from.

In the absence of any preference as to where Export Audio opens, Export Audio should also open at whatever DefaultOpenPath is, but due to a longstanding bug, it doesn't.

What behaviour would you want? Just to fix Export Audio so that it opened at DefaultOpenPath? Or store separate Export paths for labels and audio, so that importing labels from D:\ opened Export Labels at D:\, but importing audio from C:\ opened Export Audio at C:\?


Gale

[Gale Andrews]

1) I'm still having trouble adding SILENCE to an audio/ label track sync pair. The Label track isn't shifting, even though it's sync'd.

If you are generating rather than pasting, I agree. I notice that it broke in 2.1.1. I will add it to Bugzilla if it's not already there.

Done: http://bugzilla.audacityteam.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1340.


Gale

[edwinn]

1) I'm still having trouble adding SILENCE to an audio/ label track sync pair. The Label track isn't shifting, even though it's sync'd.

If you are generating rather than pasting, I agree. I notice that it broke in 2.1.1. I will add it to Bugzilla if it's not already there.

Done: http://bugzilla.audacityteam.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1340.

A little behind in replying, but thanks!

Have downloaded 2.1.3a, Feb-19 and it looks like all that's needed is to unpack zip and overwrite a few files.

-Ed

[edwinn]

Export Labels... opens at whatever DefaultOpenPath is, as stored in audacity.cfg. DefaultOpenPath is the directory you last opened or imported an audio or label file from.

In the absence of any preference as to where Export Audio opens, Export Audio should also open at whatever DefaultOpenPath is, but due to a longstanding bug, it doesn't.

What behaviour would you want?

Not sure about that, a behavior where one doesn't notice any difficulty.

No seriously, after pondering for a while.. I've been `dropping FLAC files´ onto Audacity from Explorer (file manager) to open them, and if that's the case, maybe Audacity needs to `capture that event´ and make a note of the OPEN-from folder.. that is, note the folder from which the file was dragged. So when dragging-dropping audios, and then IMPORTING Label files with the menu/ dialog.. that seems to be the cause of confusion.

So either note the `drag from´ folder, or make it so one can DRAG-DROP a Label file. Either way, the folder/ location would need to be captured, yes? In any case, these are not wants, they are brainstorms.


-Ed

[edwinn]

Just be careful Ed when you move point labels - just make sure you have grabbed the center white dot - if you grab on of the angled handles you will end up stretching it out to create a range label (these can be useful) - but it's virtually impossible to turn a range label back into a point label.

Yeah thanks, aware of those points, but there's a worse thing that happens.

On Thursday, and again on Friday, I tried to tag or add labels on the fly during a talkshow, but in every case (recording three separate programs) the RECORD function was HALTED due to inadvertent Hotkey pressing.

That seems to mean... one cannot effectively add labels on the fly because an inadvertent `key press´ will stop the recording. Then you have a gap, and that pretty much screws-up the whole file.

So to do that real time, one would need to LOCK Audacity in the Record Mode, so no key-press could interrupt the data capture. One would need to specifically press the STOP button with the mouse to end the recording. Better yet.. have the ability to CUSTOMIZE the Toolbar.

Taking cover now,


-Ed

[steve]

one cannot effectively add labels on the fly because an inadvertent `key press´ will stop the recording

We have recently disabled some key presses during recording for exactly this reason.
Do you recall which keys cause the problem?
Have you customised any of the keyboard shortcuts or do you use the default shortcuts?

[edwinn]

We have recently disabled some key presses during recording for exactly this reason.
Do you recall which keys cause the problem?
Have you customised any of the keyboard shortcuts or do you use the default shortcuts?

Hi and thanks for the great reply.

Can't tell you specifically which key or keys interrupt RECORD. Though once or twice it stopped when working with a spiral-bound book on the desk. Another time, RECORD got interrupted and I didn't notice it for 20 mins or more.


Will do some `Records´ and intentionally type labels rapidly as it goes on, and see which keys interrupt.
Hey, how about having a pop-up.. `are you sure you want to stop recording?´

Just kicking some ideas around. BTW I have 6-10 custom hotkeys defined: one for Amplify (Alt+A), one for Silence (Alt+S), two for Fade-In and Fade-out, and two for Import and Export Labels, to name a few. Amplify is used the most.

-Ed

[waxcylinder]

BTW I have 6-10 custom hotkeys defined: one for Amplify (Alt+A), one for Silence (Alt+S), two for Fade-In and Fade-out ...

Ed, you might want to try the Studio Fade Out that Steve wrote - for my money it gives a much better "professional sounding" fade than the simple linear Fade Out.

See this page in the Manual: http://manual.audacityteam.org/o/man/fa ... io_fadeout

WC

[edwinn]

Win7, 64-bit SP1, Audacity 2.1.2 (2.1.3a)

BTW I have 6-10 custom hotkeys defined: one for Amplify (Alt+A), one for Silence (Alt+S), two for Fade-In and Fade-out ...

Ed, you might want to try the Studio Fade Out that Steve wrote - for my money it gives a much better "professional sounding" fade than the simple linear Fade Out. See this page in the Manual: http://manual.audacityteam.org/o/man/fa ... io_fadeout

Ok will check that out. I'm working mostly with lecture and talk-show audios these days, usually in 11k or 16k. Some are 22 kHz if the quality is high. Have tinnitus from many years of loud music and metal dome speakers. { WHAT?, hey answer the phone! } So the basic `fades´ are used to feather-out abrupt Starts and Stops.

Thought I'd list the custom hotkeys, it's hard to remember which ones: Amplify Alt+A, Equalization Ctrl+Alt+E, Fade In Shft+F, Fade Out Ctrl+Alt+F, Silence Alt+S. Since the topic is about LABELS, the Hotkeys are: Export Labels Ctrl+Alt+L, Import Labels Ctrl+Alt+Q (that's my hint.. import quotes).

-Ed

[Gale Andrews]

I've been `dropping FLAC files´ onto Audacity from Explorer (file manager) to open them, and if that's the case, maybe Audacity needs to `capture that event´ and make a note of the OPEN-from folder.. that is, note the folder from which the file was dragged.

OK I will note your "vote" for that.

So when dragging-dropping audios, and then IMPORTING Label files with the menu/ dialog.. that seems to be the cause of confusion.

So either note the `drag from´ folder, or make it so one can DRAG-DROP a Label file. Either way, the folder/ location would need to be captured, yes? In any case, these are not wants, they are brainstorms.

I can add your vote from drag and drop of label files, but presumably it would need some parsing code added to identify a file that had the correct TAB-delimited syntax.

You didn't say whether you want to store the directory a label file comes from separately from the directory a text file comes from. If you have labels in folder "L" and audio in folder "A", then when you import a label, does Export Audio open at folder "L" or only Export Labels opens at "L"? I guess it may be better to store the open path for audio and labels separately.


Gale