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dc bias

Post by ramone » Mon Jul 22, 2013 3:12 pm

my problem is that i record, use high pass filter, use low pass filter,compress,normalize, amplify portions :?: of sound that are not loud enough, normalize and end up with an mp3 file that has a dc bias and is often not loud enough.

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Re: dc bias

Post by DVDdoug » Mon Jul 22, 2013 5:16 pm

DC bias should be removed by a high-pass filter (DC is zero Hz).

Are you seeing bias during silent or quiet parts, or at the peaks? True DC bias will show-up during silence. Some sounds/instruments generate asymmetrical sound waves that have higher positive, or higher negative, peaks. Note that some "DC removal" filters will actually add DC bias while "balancing" the waveform... You end-up with bias during silence, which can cause a "tick" at the beginning & end of the file.
...and is often not loud enough.
As you know, when you normalize (or amplify and set the peaks to 0dB), you are targeting the peak levels. But, you may not know that perception of loudness is more related to average] levels (and frequency distribution). One little peak will determine the maximum unclipped (undistorted) loudness of the whole file.
...amplify portions of sound that are not loud enough,
That should help. You can also try some dynamic compression (Effect -> Compressor).

Dynamic compression can boost the average level without boosting/clipping the peaks. If you are recording music, be aware that dynamic contrast is an important part of music, and if you over-do it, the whole thing will be constantly-loud and boring. (Most modern music is compressed to death to make it LOUD!.)
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Re: dc bias

Post by kozikowski » Mon Jul 22, 2013 5:17 pm

Effect > Normalize > Remove DC and de-select everything else.
Install Chris's Compressor.
Increase the first value, Compression if the show isn't dense or loud enough. I use 0.77 instead of 0.5.

http://theaudacitytopodcast.com/chriss- ... -audacity/

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Re: dc bias

Post by kozikowski » Mon Jul 22, 2013 5:22 pm

We had the "DC Removal" discussion a while back. The one in Audacity is remarkably well behaved and doesn't have beginning and end noise, or any other problems. The Hi Pass Filter technique can generate noise in some shows.

We found it was possible to "fake out" DC Removal only by scientifically generating waveforms that would never appear in nature.

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Re: dc bias

Post by kozikowski » Mon Jul 22, 2013 5:26 pm

If this doesn't work for you, then you may have a raw recording that is so bad it needs rescue instead of post processing. Post back. Koz

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Re: dc bias

Post by Gale Andrews » Mon Jul 22, 2013 10:32 pm

kozikowski wrote:We had the "DC Removal" discussion a while back. The one in Audacity is remarkably well behaved and doesn't have beginning and end noise, or any other problems.
It may create a new offset and thus a click if the offset is not constant over time or if some sections of audio are offset and some not. http://wiki.audacityteam.org/wiki/DC_offset .


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Re: dc bias

Post by kozikowski » Tue Jul 23, 2013 12:14 am

if the offset is not constant over time
In which case the problem is serious low frequency distortion or damage -- subaudible audio, not DC offset. Very different problems. In that case you may need both DC removal and the hi pass filter and then Chris. It's possible with that much damage you may get pops at the beginning and end of the show no matter whose filters you use.

It could be said you need replacing the hardware more than a list of filters. Any hardware that produces damage like that is no longer usable and may create sound files that will damage speaker systems later.

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Re: dc bias

Post by steve » Tue Jul 23, 2013 2:39 am

ramone wrote:my problem is that i record, use high pass filter, use low pass filter,compress,normalize, amplify portions :?: of sound that are not loud enough, normalize and end up with an mp3 file that has a dc bias and is often not loud enough.
My guess is that the "DC offset" isn't actually DC offset, but is just natural asymmetry.
Could you post a short sample in WAV format so that we can see for sure? See here for how to post an audio sample: http://forum.audacityteam.org/viewtopic ... 49&t=72887
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