Reducing booming

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Re: Reducing booming

Post by LivingInternet » Fri May 07, 2021 12:28 pm

You can tell visually when it's right from the red line on the Couture display: around 6dB reduction when you are not speaking is about the maximum attenuation you can get away with without it sounding choppy ...
So I want the redline to be just at, or below the black line?

Any reason you have it set to Sybil instead of Human?

To make sure I am not missing something, would it be possible for you to upload the preset you are using in your example?

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Re: Reducing booming

Post by kozikowski » Fri May 07, 2021 2:18 pm

Any reason you didn't opt for the shotgun with the DeSibilator to get rid of the gritty SS sounds?

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Re: Reducing booming

Post by LivingInternet » Fri May 07, 2021 2:34 pm

Any reason you didn't opt for the shotgun with the DeSibilator to get rid of the gritty SS sounds?

Definitely doing that too.

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Re: Reducing booming

Post by Trebor » Fri May 07, 2021 3:23 pm

LivingInternet wrote:
Fri May 07, 2021 12:28 pm
So I want the redline to be just at, or below the black line?
When the red line corresponds with the black line it's not doing anything.
when the red line goes below the black it's attenuating the output.
LivingInternet wrote:
Fri May 07, 2021 12:28 pm
Any reason you have it set to Sybil instead of Human?
Supposedly Sybil removes more sibilance than Human.
LivingInternet wrote:
Fri May 07, 2021 12:28 pm
To make sure I am not missing something, would it be possible for you to upload the preset you are using in your example?
3-o'clock-ish.zip
preset (.fxp) inside a zip file
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Bear in mind my example also had bass-cut equalization (EQ) & desibilator.
import fxp preset file.png
import fxp preset file.png (401.24 KiB) Viewed 246 times

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Re: Reducing booming

Post by LivingInternet » Sat May 08, 2021 7:52 pm

Here is an excerpt with Couture first (using Trebor's preset) and then Desibilator, then the opposite order Desibilator and then Couture.
Couter-Desib-Desib-Couture.wav
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I can tell a very very slight difference, but am not sure there is a quality preference. What do you think?

Anything else you would recommend to improve this?

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Re: Reducing booming

Post by Trebor » Sun May 09, 2021 4:41 am

LivingInternet wrote:
Sat May 08, 2021 7:52 pm
Couter-Desib-Desib-Couture.wav ...What do you think?
IMO you've overdone the de-essing a little : "once" sounds like oneth.
& you could remove more bass, (<200Hz), as most of the room-reverb lives there.

Dare I mention the mic clicking ?

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Re: Reducing booming

Post by LivingInternet » Sun May 09, 2021 11:50 am

IMO you've overdone the de-essing a little : "once" sounds like oneth.
I hear that. I am using your (Trebor's) DeSibilator at
viewtopic.php?p=404021#p404021
with Koz'z direction to "Select your performance and find the RMS (loudness) value. Analyze > Contrast > Measure Selection (write it down) > Close. Plug that into the DeSibilator "Threshold" setting. > OK."

What should I do to dial this back?
you could remove more bass, (<200Hz), as most of the room-reverb lives there.
I've already applied Koz's "de-boomy" equalization from download/file.php?id=31565. To take out more from below 200Hz, do I instead just make the graph fall off for everything from 200 Hz down? Or is there a preset that will do this?
Dare I mention the mic clicking ?
Oh yes, please dare. These videos will hopefully last on Udemy for decades, and this is my one chance to get them right. What do you recommend?

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Re: Reducing booming

Post by kozikowski » Sun May 09, 2021 7:13 pm

Have we ever experienced your raw voice without the basket of corrections? If you apply enough filters, effects, and corrections, you start putting out self-generated fires. I like DeSibilator because it doesn't turn SS sibilance into FF damage. I have no idea how you got that problem to come back.

How about you post a ten second voice test with no corrections at all.

https://www.kozco.com/tech/audacity/Tes ... _Clip.html

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Re: Reducing booming

Post by LivingInternet » Sun May 09, 2021 11:10 pm

Many thanks - here you go, with raw voice from the NTG3 through a Scarlett Studio 2i2:
raw voice.wav
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The sample we were working with then had the following processing:
- noise reduction
- equalization 100 Hz rumble
- equalization de-boomy setting shown in original post
- change pitch -5%
- RMS normalize -18
- soft limit -3 dB

Then:

- couture with Trebor's preset
- desibilator with a threshold from the analyze measurement of -18.79 (both foreground and background were giving me the same measurement).

Does this cast light?

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Re: Reducing booming

Post by Trebor » Mon May 10, 2021 12:58 am

LivingInternet wrote:
Sun May 09, 2021 11:50 am
I am using your (Trebor's) DeSibilator ... What should I do to dial this back?
RMS is a first-approximation for the desibilator threshold,
if there is lisping with the threshold at RMS value,
try raising the threshold from the RMS value in 1dB steps until the lisping goes away.
e.g. if the RMS is -20dB, but preview sounds lispy, try -19dB, -18dB, etc

LivingInternet wrote:
Sun May 09, 2021 11:50 am
I've already applied Koz's "de-boomy" equalization ... Or is there a preset that will do this?
I would use a real-time equalizer plugin, e.g.
so I could hear the effect of adjusting the bass as the track played.
IMO attenuate everything below 200Hz, (not just a dip between 100-200),
as some people will be able to hear <100Hz, depending on the device they are listening on.

LivingInternet wrote:
Sun May 09, 2021 11:50 am
Dare I mention the mic clicking ?
Oh yes, please dare ... What do you recommend?
It sounds like clicking is occurring in the mic, (rather than in your mouth).
Paul-L's is the only free de-clicker plugin I know of.

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