Medical condition, make audio wave smoother, remove zick zacks

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Medical condition, make audio wave smoother, remove zick zacks

Post by Sibb » Sun Feb 28, 2021 10:00 am

W10 20H2
Audacity 2.4.2

Hello,

I have weird condition, where my left ear produces a plop sound, my doctor can't hear it because he is old I guess, but friends can hear it clearly and it is visible in audacity: here few examples with audacity project file (in case someone is interested):
https://file.io/mHRh0IMBb3hp
This is the typical plop sound, 60% of time at the end of the sentence (when I am breathing out), very good visible:
https://i.imgur.com/CAinOuW.png

Some times, this son of a gun, hide in mid sentence and it is not visible at first look
https://i.imgur.com/Wtbghnw.png
You see the one weird to the right, that is the plop sound.

My question: Can it be somehow made smoother? Any tool/effect that make wave forms a little bit smoother?
Click remover etc. don't work.

Thanks

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Re: Medical condition, make audio wave smoother, remove zick zacks

Post by Sibb » Sun Feb 28, 2021 10:21 am

Sorry couldn't find the edit button.
Here is another example:
https://i.imgur.com/426zfQA.png
If I remove the highlightet one, the plop sound is gone.
Are there any other tools to analyze what is going on there?
Zoomed in version
https://i.imgur.com/y50QR3P.png

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Re: Medical condition, make audio wave smoother, remove zick zacks

Post by steve » Sun Feb 28, 2021 12:01 pm

Sibb wrote:
Sun Feb 28, 2021 10:21 am
Are there any other tools to analyze what is going on there?
Try the track spectrogram view: https://manual.audacityteam.org/man/spe ... _view.html
9/10 questions are answered in the FREQUENTLY ASKED QUESTIONS (FAQ)

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Re: Medical condition, make audio wave smoother, remove zick zacks

Post by Trebor » Sun Feb 28, 2021 12:27 pm

Sibb wrote:
Sun Feb 28, 2021 10:00 am
... left ear produces a plop sound, my doctor can't hear it because he is old I guess, but friends can hear it clearly and it is visible in audacity ... This is the typical plop sound, 60% of time at the end of the sentence ... Some times ... in mid sentence ...
Short answer: You should see an ENT doctor.

Long answer: when someone speaks at normal volume, (not whispering), it activates the stapedius-reflex in the ears to turn down the sensitivity of hearing, so they don't deafen themselves with their own voice.

About half a second after you stop speaking the reflex relaxes,
(e.g. at the end of sentences, or if you leave a long-gap between words).

The reflex is muscles pulling on tiny bones in the ear.
If there is something wrong with whose bones the stapedius-reflex being triggered, or relaxing,
can create a click/pop noise which is audible to other people.

Not a user-fixable problem, (see short answer above).

Sibb wrote:
Sun Feb 28, 2021 10:00 am
... here few examples with audacity project file (in case someone is interested):
https://file.io/mHRh0IMBb3hp
That link does not work:
file.io wrote: "The file you requested has been deleted"
One can attach a WAV audio file to a post in this forum.

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Re: Medical condition, make audio wave smoother, remove zick zacks

Post by Sibb » Sun Feb 28, 2021 1:16 pm

https://easyupload.io/gixcuh
Again the upload. I already visit two ENT doctors, one wasn't interested in trying to understand the problem, the other said that is nothing dangerous.
Attachments
ear plop.aup
(3.89 KiB) Downloaded 3 times
ear plop2.aup
(1018 Bytes) Downloaded 2 times

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Re: Medical condition, make audio wave smoother, remove zick zacks

Post by waxcylinder » Sun Feb 28, 2021 4:20 pm

Trebor wrote:
Sun Feb 28, 2021 12:27 pm
Long answer: when someone speaks at normal volume, (not whispering), it activates the stapedius-reflex in the ears to turn down the sensitivity of hearing, so they don't deafen themselves with their own voice.

About half a second after you stop speaking the reflex relaxes,
(e.g. at the end of sentences, or if you leave a long-gap between words).

The reflex is muscles pulling on tiny bones in the ear.
If there is something wrong with whose bones the stapedius-reflex being triggered, or relaxing,
can create a click/pop noise which is audible to other people.
"Curse you Red Baron" as Snoopy used to say.

Thanks you for that Trebor, now every time I talk normal.loud and stop - I then hear that bloomin ' click ;) :? :cry:

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Re: Medical condition, make audio wave smoother, remove zick zacks

Post by Trebor » Sun Feb 28, 2021 7:06 pm

waxcylinder wrote:
Sun Feb 28, 2021 4:20 pm
Trebor wrote:
Sun Feb 28, 2021 12:27 pm
Thanks you for that Trebor, now every time I talk normal.loud and stop - I then hear that bloomin ' click ;) :? :cry:
From my perspective, mine goes whoomph when it releases, rather than click,
but something is wrong if it's audible to other people.
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Re: Medical condition, make audio wave smoother, remove zick zacks

Post by Trebor » Sun Feb 28, 2021 7:12 pm

Sibb wrote:
Sun Feb 28, 2021 1:16 pm
ear plop.aup (3.89 KiB)
ear plop2.aup (1018 Bytes)
"aup" files don't contain any audio. WAV is the format to attach ...
ear plop.wav
ear plop.wav
I deserve danger-money for downloading this from malware-ridden file-sharing sites.
(155.88 KiB) Downloaded 4 times

If it's an inner-ear reflex problem, it would also be activated by loud noises when you are not speaking, like loud music or power tools.

If it's only when you are speaking, it could be a problem with your eustachian tube ...
https ://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eustachian_tube_dysfunction

https://www.reddit.com/r/EustachianTube ... ft_palate/
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ear plop waveform & spectrogram.png (288.3 KiB) Viewed 99 times

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Re: Medical condition, make audio wave smoother, remove zick zacks

Post by waxcylinder » Mon Mar 01, 2021 8:16 am

Trebor wrote:
Sun Feb 28, 2021 7:06 pm
waxcylinder wrote:
Sun Feb 28, 2021 4:20 pm
Trebor wrote:
Sun Feb 28, 2021 12:27 pm
Thanks you for that Trebor, now every time I talk normal.loud and stop - I then hear that bloomin ' click ;) :? :cry:
From my perspective, mine goes whoomph when it releases, rather than click,
but something is wrong if it's audible to other people.
Phew - mine is more of a whooph 8-)

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Re: Medical condition, make audio wave smoother, remove zick zacks

Post by Sibb » Mon Mar 01, 2021 8:25 am

Thank you very much for your information, I will take the wikipedia article and go to the doctor.

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