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Invert only the negative db to positive.

Posted: Sat Jan 02, 2021 11:18 pm
by RandomErik
Hi.

I been wondering if it's possible to "flip" the negative db to positive so everything is at the positive side.

Something like this: https://imgur.com/a/neXS3ew

Thanks in advance.

Re: Invert only the negative db to positive.

Posted: Sun Jan 03, 2021 12:21 am
by kozikowski
Is there a performance display or other reason you would want that?

The current waves represent the real-life back and forth motion of the air during an audio performance. Real sound sucks and blows rapidly on the microphone element and produces those up and down waves.

There are announcers that have non-symmetrical waves—that have larger waves in one direction than the other. I can recognize some news announcers like that.

I know there are some web sites that display sound like that. That's more theater than engineering. They don't actually mean anything.

That is how the Audacity bouncing sound meter works. It measures sound energy either direction.

Koz

Re: Invert only the negative db to positive.

Posted: Sun Jan 03, 2021 1:17 am
by steve
RandomErik wrote:
Sat Jan 02, 2021 11:18 pm
I been wondering if it's possible to "flip" the negative db to positive so everything is at the positive side.
"Effect menu > Distortion"
Select the Factory Preset (Under the "Manage" button): "Full-wave Rectifier"
See: https://manual.audacityteam.org/man/distortion.html

Re: Invert only the negative db to positive.

Posted: Sun Jan 03, 2021 11:38 am
by kozikowski
Fair warning the show isn't going to be clear audio after that. The effect is listed under "Distortion" for a reason.

Koz

Re: Invert only the negative db to positive.

Posted: Mon Jan 04, 2021 1:50 am
by jademan
RandomErik wrote:
Sat Jan 02, 2021 11:18 pm
Hi.

I been wondering if it's possible to "flip" the negative db to positive so everything is at the positive side.

Something like this: https://imgur.com/a/neXS3ew

Thanks in advance.
If you want distortion, what they said, above. However, if you just want to display the rectified tracks, like this:
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then right-click on the calibration panel at the right of the track-control-panel and select "Half Wave" ("Zoom Reset") to reset.

Re: Invert only the negative db to positive.

Posted: Mon Jan 04, 2021 2:23 am
by kozikowski
then right-click on the calibration panel at the right of the track-control-panel and select "Half Wave" ("Zoom Reset") to reset.
Good to know (writing that down).

However, from our electronics training we know the different between Half-Wave and Full-Wave. Full Wave folds the negative-going waves up to join their partners on the positive display. Half-Wave whacks off the negative waves and discards them.

Half-Wave in this case is theater. It's for show and doesn't effect the quality of sound. Full-Wave gets the display by creating massive distortion.

I'd give anything to know why you want this. Are we close? Have you given up?

Koz

Re: Invert only the negative db to positive.

Posted: Tue Jan 05, 2021 7:41 pm
by RandomErik
Thanks for the responses and the solving!

I appreciate it. :)