Clicking noises - are these mouth clicks?

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germanindc
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Clicking noises - are these mouth clicks?

Post by germanindc » Thu Dec 10, 2020 11:23 am

I frequently hear clicks in my recordings (audiobook for ACX).
The computer is in another room, process is on high process priority, Windows 10. Microphone Rode NT-USB.
I can not think of any source in my recording room other than mouthclicks.
These clicks appear frequently and not in room tone measurements.

I attached you two recordings:
- rapid clicks, which sometimes appear and can be removed with the declick tool from this forum
- loud clicks, which sometimes appear and the declick tool does not manage to remove them sufficiently

Are these mouth clicks? If not, what else could they be?
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loudclick.wav
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rapidclicking.wav
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Re: Clicking noises - are these mouth clicks?

Post by Trebor » Thu Dec 10, 2020 7:10 pm

germanindc wrote:
Thu Dec 10, 2020 11:23 am
I attached you two recordings:

Attachments
loudclick.wav (163.16 KiB)
rapidclicking.wav (275.5 KiB)
"Rode NT-USB" is a mono microphone, but there is a stereo-effect on those attachments:
the tracks are not identical, (not dual-mono).

You can instruct Audacity to record in mono in preferences, ( choose "1 channel").

I'm not claiming this will cure your clicking problem, but is worth a try.

( Paul-L's de-clicker plug-in is designed to be used on mono tracks,
If applied to stereo-tracks, unwanted spatial effects can occur ).

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Re: Clicking noises - are these mouth clicks?

Post by jademan » Sat Dec 12, 2020 1:15 am

germanindc wrote:
Thu Dec 10, 2020 11:23 am
I frequently hear clicks in my recordings (audiobook for ACX).
The computer is in another room, process is on high process priority, Windows 10. Microphone Rode NT-USB.
I can not think of any source in my recording room other than mouthclicks.
These clicks appear frequently and not in room tone measurements.

I attached you two recordings:
- rapid clicks, which sometimes appear and can be removed with the declick tool from this forum
- loud clicks, which sometimes appear and the declick tool does not manage to remove them sufficiently

Are these mouth clicks? If not, what else could they be?
gernamindc, I have never done any audio mastering, and I believe Trebor and/or others here on the forum have, but to my ears, I don't hear anything other than character in either of those recordings. ;)

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Re: Clicking noises - are these mouth clicks?

Post by Trebor » Sat Dec 12, 2020 1:37 am

jademan wrote:
Sat Dec 12, 2020 1:15 am
... to my ears, I don't hear anything other than character in either of those recordings ...
The mouth clicks are visible in the spectrogram view ...

loudClick.png
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Splashy "loudclick" is actually series of clicks mainly around 10kHz, & only ~2ms apart.
Their closeness is why Paul-L's de-clicker will not detect then on default settings.

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Re: Clicking noises - are these mouth clicks?

Post by germanindc » Sun Dec 13, 2020 1:15 pm

So do you think those are mouth clicks?
Any ideas/settings how to get rid of them? (already played with mic position, distance, etc...)
Ideally I would be able to run a plugin on the entire file, without having to mark the individual locations.
Trebor wrote:
Sat Dec 12, 2020 1:37 am
jademan wrote:
Sat Dec 12, 2020 1:15 am
... to my ears, I don't hear anything other than character in either of those recordings ...
The mouth clicks are visible in the spectrogram view ...


loudClick.png


Splashy "loudclick" is actually series of clicks mainly around 10kHz, & only ~2ms apart.
Their closeness is why Paul-L's de-clicker will not detect then on default settings.

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Re: Clicking noises - are these mouth clicks?

Post by jademan » Mon Dec 14, 2020 10:41 pm

germanindc wrote:
Sun Dec 13, 2020 1:15 pm
Any ideas/settings how to get rid of them? (already played with mic position, distance, etc...)
So you and Trebor have much more discerning ears than I do... :D
Trebor wrote:
Sat Dec 12, 2020 1:37 am
Splashy "loudclick" is actually series of clicks mainly around 10kHz, & only ~2ms apart.
Their closeness is why Paul-L's de-clicker will not detect then on default settings.
On a whim, I took Trebor's suggestion and ran the de-clicker on loudclick changing the step size from 5ms to 2ms. To my ears, the "character" has been essentially eliminated. :D I do not know the downside of this change. :|

Trebor wrote:
Thu Dec 10, 2020 7:10 pm
You can instruct Audacity to record in mono in preferences, ( choose "1 channel").

I'm not claiming this will cure your clicking problem, but is worth a try.

( Paul-L's de-clicker plug-in is designed to be used on mono tracks,
If applied to stereo-tracks, unwanted spatial effects can occur ).
Also, have you tried recording in mono ?

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Re: Clicking noises - are these mouth clicks?

Post by germanindc » Tue Dec 15, 2020 8:47 am

jademan wrote:
Mon Dec 14, 2020 10:41 pm
germanindc wrote:
Sun Dec 13, 2020 1:15 pm
Any ideas/settings how to get rid of them? (already played with mic position, distance, etc...)
So you and Trebor have much more discerning ears than I do... :D
Trebor wrote:
Sat Dec 12, 2020 1:37 am
Splashy "loudclick" is actually series of clicks mainly around 10kHz, & only ~2ms apart.
Their closeness is why Paul-L's de-clicker will not detect then on default settings.
On a whim, I took Trebor's suggestion and ran the de-clicker on loudclick changing the step size from 5ms to 2ms. To my ears, the "character" has been essentially eliminated. :D I do not know the downside of this change. :|

Trebor wrote:
Thu Dec 10, 2020 7:10 pm
You can instruct Audacity to record in mono in preferences, ( choose "1 channel").

I'm not claiming this will cure your clicking problem, but is worth a try.

( Paul-L's de-clicker plug-in is designed to be used on mono tracks,
If applied to stereo-tracks, unwanted spatial effects can occur ).
Also, have you tried recording in mono ?
Thank you for your response.
I tried recording mono, this did unfortunately not work.
Could you please post your full settings for declick?
I changed the step size to 2ms as you suggested but this did not affect the click at all :|

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Re: Clicking noises - are these mouth clicks?

Post by jademan » Tue Dec 15, 2020 12:24 pm

germanindc wrote:
Tue Dec 15, 2020 8:47 am
Could you please post your full settings for declick?
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I hope this helps. :D

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