Question on Effect -> "Base and Treble" and "Graphic EQ"

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LeeX
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Question on Effect -> "Base and Treble" and "Graphic EQ"

Post by LeeX » Tue Sep 01, 2020 10:19 pm

Hi,

I'm using Windows version 2.3.3, and have a question on Effect -> "Base and Treble" question.

Suppose I use Base=0 dB and Treble = 5 dB. What is the equivalent or approximate adjustment for Effect -> Graphic EQ?

The reason for this question is that I play with different settings in "Graphic EQ" but can't find an ideal setting to make sax brighter. When using Base=0dB & Treble=5dB in "Base and Treble", I can hear sax sound getting improved. So if I know the equivalent Graphic EQ settings for Base=0db & Treble=5dB, then I can possibly make fine adjustment around this equivalent Graphic EQ setting to further improve sax sound.

Thanks & regards,
Lee
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Re: Question on Effect -> "Base and Treble" and "Graphic EQ"

Post by Trebor » Tue Sep 01, 2020 10:35 pm

LeeX wrote:
Tue Sep 01, 2020 10:19 pm
Suppose I use Base=0 dB and Treble = 5 dB.
What is the equivalent or approximate adjustment for Effect -> Graphic EQ?
+5db boost at 20KHz, none at 0Hz ...

+5dB treble (0db Bass).png
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Re: Question on Effect -> "Base and Treble" and "Graphic EQ"

Post by LeeX » Tue Sep 01, 2020 10:43 pm

Thank you for the information. I just edited my post after your reply, and added the reason for asking this question.

By the way, how can we find that nice curve after we enter different Base & Treble dB #s?

Thanks & regards,
Lee

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Re: Question on Effect -> "Base and Treble" and "Graphic EQ"

Post by Trebor » Tue Sep 01, 2020 10:51 pm

LeeX wrote:
Tue Sep 01, 2020 10:19 pm
The reason for this question is that I play with different settings in "Graphic EQ" but can't find an ideal setting to make sax brighter ..
If you look on the spectrogram view when the sax comes in you will see the frequency-range it occupies.

LeeX wrote:
Tue Sep 01, 2020 10:43 pm
By the way, how can we find that nice curve after we enter different Base & Treble dB #s?
Generate white noise, apply an equalization to it, (e.g. via Bass & Treble effect), then do a "plot spectrum".

Whatever the number is on the bottom of the vertical axis of the frequency-analysis plot, add that number to any other number you read off that axis, e.g. If it says "-22db", add +22 to all the other numbers.

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Re: Question on Effect -> "Base and Treble" and "Graphic EQ"

Post by LeeX » Sun Sep 06, 2020 12:26 am

Thank you for the information. This is the very first time I use spectrogram in Audacity. It's very helpful to see the frequency-range occupied.
If you look on the spectrogram view when the sax comes in you will see the frequency-range it occupies.
I import sax track and see the following spectrogram:

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It looks like every single section of the track occupies from 0 Hz to 8 KHz. If I zoom in to the section that sounds brighter, this section looks like this:

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The plot has different colors (blue, yellow, orange, red...). How can we tell which frequencies has what intensity from this plot? Can Audacity show another curve for the focus point (where the black vertical line is at), and let this curve use horizontal axis for frequency (e.g. 0 - 20 KHz) and vertical axis for intensity (dB)? This way, we can see what frequencies have more intensity at this focus point.


Thanks & regards,
Lee

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Re: Question on Effect -> "Base and Treble" and "Graphic EQ"

Post by Trebor » Sun Sep 06, 2020 3:22 am

LeeX wrote:
Sun Sep 06, 2020 12:26 am
The plot has different colors (blue, yellow, orange, red...).
White areas have the most energy ...
https://manual.audacityteam.org/man/spe ... ml#meaning
LeeX wrote:
Sun Sep 06, 2020 12:26 am
Can Audacity show another curve for the focus point (where the black vertical line is at)....
Plot spectrum will do that ... https://manual.audacityteam.org/man/plot_spectrum.html
but you have to select a short* section of audio, rather than a line.
[* the minimum selection is ~1/100th of a second for plot spectrum]

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Re: Question on Effect -> "Base and Treble" and "Graphic EQ"

Post by LeeX » Tue Sep 08, 2020 8:06 pm

Thank you for all the information. Much appreciate. It helps a lot!

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