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TERRIBLE SIBILANCE!!

Posted: Fri Jun 21, 2019 11:10 pm
by wuhan_87
Hello!

I have terrible sibilance!. I think I talk naturally like this so not sure a mic upgrade would even help. Currently using the at2020.

Any suggestions? Messed around with eq but doesn't seem to do any favours, same with the de-esser.

Apparently my sibilances are in the 12kh area, I had a friend check it over for me in a different daw. Anyway to figure this out in audacity? How high or low of a frequency a particular part of speech is?? Kind of need to know this in order to solve the problem.

Thanks,

Hannah

Re: TERRIBLE SIBILANCE!!

Posted: Sat Jun 22, 2019 12:09 am
by kozikowski
Sometimes defining the problem is over half the battle.

Can you produce a 20 second voice test using this formula?

http://www.kozco.com/tech/audacity/Test ... _Clip.html

In your particular case, lean heavily on SS and TT words. "Sister Suzy...etc." Don't go nuts. Just include enough different sibilant words to give us a good idea what's happening. Do Not use MP3 anywhere in the process.

We're doing this because sometimes these problems are not purely recording problems. We are splitting your system in half.

Koz

Re: TERRIBLE SIBILANCE!!

Posted: Sat Jun 22, 2019 4:14 am
by Trebor
wuhan_87 wrote:
Fri Jun 21, 2019 11:10 pm
Any suggestions? Messed around with eq but doesn't seem to do any favours, same with the de-esser.
It can't be worse than Herbert's whistle, & Audacity's de-esser can fix that.
wuhan_87 wrote:
Fri Jun 21, 2019 11:10 pm
Apparently my sibilances are in the 12kh area, I had a friend check it over for me in a different daw.
Anyway to figure this out in audacity? How high or low of a frequency a particular part of speech is? ...
See Audacity's Spectrogram-view, (rather than the default waveform-view).

Re: TERRIBLE SIBILANCE!!

Posted: Sat Jun 22, 2019 3:50 pm
by kozikowski
Anyway to figure this out in audacity?
Certainly. That's why a sound test would be handy. Straight spectrum analysis doesn't tell the whole story which is why straight equalization gives muffled readings and appropriate DeEssing can sound terrific—all with the same spectrum.

In some cases we can just give you settings to try rather than shot-gunning it.

Koz

Re: TERRIBLE SIBILANCE!!

Posted: Tue Jun 25, 2019 2:11 am
by wuhan_87
OK, here is my sample!

Also, another problem has started when recording, sometimes (in this recording also) it's very glitchy. Is this mainly because of my computer power? Or can it be other reasons?

Thanks,

Hannah
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Re: TERRIBLE SIBILANCE!!

Posted: Tue Jun 25, 2019 3:43 am
by Trebor
wuhan_87 wrote:
Tue Jun 25, 2019 2:11 am
Also, another problem has started when recording, sometimes (in this recording also) it's very glitchy.
Is this mainly because of my computer power? Or can it be other reasons
Fixing the sibilance is the easy part, e.g. using Steve's de-esser plugin ...

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The glitchiness, aka drop-outs, aka skipping, is a far worse problem.

Re: TERRIBLE SIBILANCE!!

Posted: Tue Jun 25, 2019 7:51 pm
by wuhan_87
Hey, Thanks.

So how can you tell in audacity which frequencies are being affected and therefore treat those and correct with de-esser?

Cheers

Hannah

Re: TERRIBLE SIBILANCE!!

Posted: Wed Jun 26, 2019 1:50 am
by Trebor
wuhan_87 wrote:
Tue Jun 25, 2019 7:51 pm
So how can you tell in audacity which frequencies are being affected ... ?
They are the white-hot areas on the spectrogram ~10kHz ...

excessive sibilance is 8kHz-12kHz.png
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Re: TERRIBLE SIBILANCE!!

Posted: Thu Jun 27, 2019 6:34 pm
by wuhan_87
Thanks!

Re: TERRIBLE SIBILANCE!!

Posted: Thu Jul 04, 2019 12:55 am
by wuhan_87
Hey,

I reduced the gain on my audio interface as I think my previous signal was way too hot. I have minor sibilance now so I don't know whether to de-ess?

I attached the track

Thanks,

Hannah
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