out of phase tones

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Re: out of phase tones

Post by DVDdoug » Tue Jul 17, 2018 2:33 pm

Basically its the same tone ( frequency ) x 3 . All 120 degrees apart ( 3phase) and then combine them into one wave.
Yes, but why? The result is a simply sine wave (or a flat line). Are you trying to demonstrate something mathematically? Or do you have "plans" for the resulting sine wave?

As Steve pointed-out (and maybe as you've discovered), if they are equal in amplitude you'll get silence/nothing. ...I'd forgotten that.

If they are unequal in amplitude you'll get a sine wave at the same frequency but at a different amplitude. It's easier to simply amplify/attenuate, or to generate the sine wave you want to begin with?

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Re: out of phase tones

Post by bunny94 » Wed Jul 18, 2018 2:21 pm

What I thought was if the 3 tones where out of phase with each other they would not cancel each other out but seems they do so to do what I wanted it seems I have to have 3 separate speakers. At least I know how to out phase the tones now so thank you for that. All the Best.

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Re: out of phase tones

Post by steve » Wed Jul 18, 2018 2:52 pm

bunny94 wrote:
Wed Jul 18, 2018 2:21 pm
so to do what I wanted
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Re: out of phase tones

Post by DVDdoug » Wed Jul 18, 2018 4:03 pm

it seems I have to have 3 separate speakers.
At low (bass) frequencies you'll get partial cancellation when the sound waves mix in the air. In theory you could get perfect cancelation (at any frequency) but the acoustic waves won't match perfectly, especially if you are in a "normal room" where sound bounces-around.

...If you have a normal stereo set-up and reverse the connections to one speaker (180 degree phase inversion), you'll get a LOT of bass cancellation but you'll still hear some bass.* And, you'll get enough cancellation at other frequencies to make music "sound weird", especially as you move around.

At higher frequencies it will be more-dependent on your location, the location of the speakers, and reflections in the room. At 10kHz the wavelength is a little less than 1.5 inches, so 1.5 inches is 360 degrees and there's a phase-difference between your 2-ears and simply moving your head will make a difference.

...If you have 3 speakers, it might be easier to calculate the wavelength and set the distance (between you and the speakers) for 1/3rd of the wavelength.



* I've never tried it outdoors. With no room reflections you can probably get 100% cancellation at low frequencies. At higher frequencies the phase-difference (time delay) between your ears would mean you'd only get cancellation in one ear at a time.

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