which effect to compress spikes, not surrounding audio?

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which effect to compress spikes, not surrounding audio?

Post by medoomi » Fri May 28, 2010 1:34 pm

Hi all,

I'm looking for an effect to compress spikes (most often when a lavalier mic gets snorted into :-) ). At the moment, I've been using the inbuilt compressor, but I've noticed that even when the decay is set to 1 second, it still compresses the following audio unacceptably. These spikes generall hit 0db, whereas the rest of the audio sits around -10db.

What I guess i'm looking for, is an effect that will compress/limit such that the spikes get clipped/muffled acceptably (not just a bare digital clip).

Can anyone point me in the right direction--I'm not sure the exact effect I need.

Thanks.

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Re: which effect to compress spikes, not surrounding audio?

Post by steve » Fri May 28, 2010 2:46 pm

The best solution is to avoid snorting into the mic. :)

If the microphone gets blown on, this will usually cause a big surge in low bass frequencies. Using a high pass filter set to around 100Hz will help to reduce these sounds without having much affect on a speaking voice. If there are just a few loud "plosives", you can zoom in close and select the offending peak and use more severe filter settings (steeper slope and slightly high frequency).

Peaks in audio can also be limited using a "limiter" effect. I think a "hard limiter" is included in the standard Audacity 1.3.12 effect menu.
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Re: which effect to compress spikes, not surrounding audio?

Post by medoomi » Fri May 28, 2010 4:28 pm

Sounds good.

I'm trying to do the filtering all in one go (without going to each snort & selecting it).

So if I was to use a limiter, would it affect the audio below the threshold at all (the compressor does during it's decay cycle)?

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Re: which effect to compress spikes, not surrounding audio?

Post by steve » Fri May 28, 2010 4:51 pm

medoomi wrote:So if I was to use a limiter, would it affect the audio below the threshold at all
Limiters are designed to only affect the audio where the peak amplitude exceeds the threshold level. It is a very basic, some would say brutal, tool that essentially hacks off the top/bottom of the waveform. The "hard limiter" effect can be softened (made less brutal, but also less effect) by increasing the "residual" setting.
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Re: which effect to compress spikes, not surrounding audio?

Post by medoomi » Fri May 28, 2010 5:21 pm

Sounds exactly what I'm looking for (given that it's a snort & nothing else is audible, all that I need is that it's less loud). The reason I ask is because I usually try to take these peaks out as my first processing step & then apply a 2:1 compression on the remaining audio. In the interests of quality, I just wanted to make sure it didn't fiddle with the audio below the threshold...
Thanks so much.

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Re: which effect to compress spikes, not surrounding audio?

Post by medoomi » Fri May 28, 2010 5:27 pm

hmmm, I just took a look around and couldn't find a built-in plugin (the "leveller" begins @ 20db & seems a bit too klunky for my needs).

Any suggestions for a suitable limiter plugin?

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Re: which effect to compress spikes, not surrounding audio?

Post by steve » Fri May 28, 2010 7:18 pm

NOOOoooo not the leveller :o
(I prefer to call that the "crusher" :twisted: )

The "hard limiter" is included in the optional "set of over 90 LADSPA plug-ins" that you can download here: http://audacityteam.org/download/plugins
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Re: which effect to compress spikes, not surrounding audio?

Post by medoomi » Fri May 28, 2010 7:26 pm

Cool. Thanks for the link.

Is there any help file or description that can help me understand what "Wet level" and "residual level" actually mean/do?

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Re: which effect to compress spikes, not surrounding audio?

Post by steve » Fri May 28, 2010 8:22 pm

medoomi wrote:Is there any help file or description that can help me understand what "Wet level" and "residual level" actually mean/do?
Not as far as I know.

"Wet/Dry" is fairly standard terminology with effects.
"Dry" means the original, unprocessed sound.
"Wet" means the effect/processed sound.

Many effects allow you to adjust the proportion of original (dry) sound to the amount of processed (wet) sound.


"Residual level" is a made up term for this effect.
"Hard limiting" a sound chops the tops/bottoms of the waveform flat - this produces a nasty sounding digital distortion. The "residual level" control appears to allow a proportion (a residual amount) of the peaks to remain, so the peaks are not cut off flat, but just "shrunk". The more "residual level", the less the peaks are shrunk, so the less harsh (weaker) the effect is.
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Re: which effect to compress spikes, not surrounding audio?

Post by medoomi » Fri May 28, 2010 9:24 pm

Excellent, thanks so much for the explanation

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