Shortcuts with ALT on Mac

[kozikowski]

Closing 1.3.7 is interesting. APPLE-Q will not work and Audacity > Quit Audacity is gray. I can close Audacity by clicking on the little red ball X and then Audacity > Quit Audacity lights up.

It's unstable. I just relaunched Audacity and it closes normally.

This is ringing bells. I've had this problem before.....

Koz

[kozikowski]

<<<Does not do that on Windows - ESC dismisses the dialogue. Now are you saying that you just used CONTROL-ALT-C and that works as well as ALT-APPLE-C to bring up the dialogue, without you doing anything in the Keyboard preferences? (Contrast should not appear in there at present). And is that general, for example to do Edit > Split New can you use either CONTROL-ALT-I (not stated alongside the menu item) or ALT-APPLE-I (which is alongside the menu) with the default keyboard preferences?>>>


To take it backwards:

With default keyboard preferences, CONTROL-ALT-I = ALT-APPLE-I


Launch Audacity,
Load pinao2.wav, Select some music.

CONTROL-ALT-C Foreground Contrast Dialog
CONTROL-ALT-C Dialog Vanishes
CONTROL-ALT-C Contrast Analyzer Dialog
CONTROL-ALT-C Dialog Vanishes, and toggles forever.

===================================
Launch Audacity,
Load pinao2.wav, Select some music.

ALT-APPLE-C Foreground Contrast Dialog
ALT-APPLE-C and ESC do nothing
[OK] Dialog Vanishes

ALT-APPLE-C Analyzer Dialog
ALT-APPLE-C Beeps
[OK] or ESC closes Dialog.


Did I hit them all?

Koz

[Gale Andrews]

Thanks Koz. ALT-APPLE-C clearly behaves just like CTRL+ALT+C on Windows. CTRL-ALT-C on Mac seems to obey its own rules. But just so I'm clear... does CONTROL-ALT-I actually do an Edit > Split New, *as well as* ALT-APPLE-I (so you have two alternative shortcuts for that command with default keyboard preferences)?


Gale

[kozikowski]

<<<so you have two alternative shortcuts>>>

Now you'll have to wait until after work to confirm, but I believe I get the same reaction no matter which shortcut I use.''

Which was the first version where you could make "Waveform (dB)" stick in a preference?

Koz

[Gale Andrews]

Now you'll have to wait until after work to confirm, but I believe I get the s+ame reaction no matter which shortcut I use.''

I'll look forward to hearing.

Which was the first version where you could make "Waveform (dB)" stick in a preference?

1.3.6. To check up for recent Betas:
http://audacityteam.org/wiki/index.php? ... ease_Notes

The shortcut for Contrast is now CTRL + SHIFT + T (so I guess SHIFT-APPLE-T if I'm learning here) and should work on any Mac.

One more question from me. When did the ALT, CONTROL and OPTION keys start appearing on Mac keyboards (in relation to OS X version, if you like)?

Gale

[kozikowski]

I'm taking notes.

If I open a simple song in 1.2.5, I can press the spacebar immediately and the song starts playing. If I open the same song in 1.3.7, Spacebar will not play the song unless I click somewhere inside the waveform, click in the timeline menu panel at left, or click somewhere on the bottom bar--I haven't nailed that last one down yet. I don't like the extra steps. Initially, I thought I was doing something wrong.


On my machine as above, Edit > Split New, CONTROL-ALT-I, and ALT-APPLE-I appear to do exactly the same thing.

CTRL-SHFT-T and APPLE-SHFT-T do nothing.

<<<When did the ALT, CONTROL and OPTION keys start appearing on Mac keyboards (in relation to OS X version, if you like)? >>>

Roughly 1998. Those were the first Motorola G3 machines and they would run OS-X. I don't have one any more (me mum's actually), so I can't look at the keyboard, but I wouldn't be shocked to find the extra keys on there. My iBook G3 has all of them as did the earlier clamshells.

I have a much earlier Mac 8500, OS-8.5.1, but I don't have the original keyboard. I'm guessing that one didn't have all the keys. It can't be emphasized enough the shock that OS-X had. For the first time you could get to a Terminal window without finding and launching a special, hard to use application. It was the first time Macs started being serious computers and not toys that the creative people on the second floor liked for some reason. It was the first time Systems Administrators bought Macs for their home use. I kept the 8500 around as a pet. It was free and worth every dime, but I live on my two OS-X Macs with occasional jaunts to one of the PCs for jobs that don't cross well.

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Koz

[Gale Andrews]

Thanks for the tests, Koz. Anyway, I guess since when Audacity 1.4.0 comes out, it won't support OS X 10.3 or earlier, we need not worry too much about users not being able to work with Mac shortcuts.

I'm taking notes.If I open a simple song in 1.2.5, I can press the spacebar immediately and the song starts playing. If I open the same song in 1.3.7, Spacebar will not play the song unless I click somewhere inside the waveform, click in the timeline menu panel at left, or click somewhere on the bottom bar--I haven't nailed that last one down yet. I don't like the extra steps. Initially, I thought I was doing something wrong.

That's a nuisance - is it still doing it? And resetting the keyboard preferences don't help?

Gale

[kozikowski]

Gotta wait until I go home again.

There's a joke from an LA attorney friend who has offices in New York. He says if you do it right there's only a fifteen minute window where you're both in the office at the same time. Most people arrange to be out of cell phone range during that time.

<<<won't support OS X 10.3.4 or earlier>>>

We still maintain Panther (10.3) machines, although the main one is 10.3.9. Why that split? What happened at 10.3.4?

We have offices in Mumbai and Hyderabad, so we're old friends with time shifts. You knew IST is off by a half-hour, right? The Indian continent is big enough for two time zones, so they adopted one and split the difference.

Koz

[Gale Andrews]

<<<won't support OS X 10.3.4 or earlier>>>
We still maintain Panther (10.3) machines, although the main one is 10.3.9. Why that split? What happened at 10.3.4?

"10.3.4" was a minor typo in the above post (now corrected) - 1.3.5 and later (and so obviously 1.4.0 when it is released) will only support OS X 10.4 and later, so any version of 10.3 is not supported. We still have to decide what to do for OS X 10.3 and earlier users - their current choice is 1.2.5/6 or 1.3.3 for OS X 10.3, else 1.2.5/6 for earlier OS X.

I think 1.3.5 would not even build unless built on OS X 10.3, which machines we no longer have, and even then it was very buggy.

Someone on Linux is complaining that in recent builds from CVS, shortcuts don't work until you do something with the mouse. So we may have a problem here (except on Windows). If you could reconfirm when you get home, that would be great.


Gale

[kozikowski]

<<<recent builds from CVS>>>

We assume not the American {word rejected} (chemist) chain?

<<<shortcuts don't work until you do something with the mouse.>>>

Can you post the original complaint? That's a little vague, even for a right-brain Mac user.

Koz