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Mach5 LightSpeed...??

Post by npags711 » Wed Sep 01, 2010 5:31 pm

Hey hey...

I'm new to Audacity - I'm using it to record some voice over's for a Video...

I have a few hours of voice over's and wanted to review/edit the recordings in the quickest fashion...

I thought I'd be able to do this by increasing the playback speed of the voice over recordings by modifying the tempo --- in order to identify which are the "good takes".....and are which aren't - at a much quicker pace than normal speed...

My question is this...

Is it possible to increase/modify the playback speed by increasing the tempo - then go through and label the "good takes" - then reset the voice over to the original/normal tempo again?

Let me know as soon as you can - Thanks so much for your help ;)

-Nino
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Re: Review/Edit at Mach5 LightSpeed...??

Post by steve » Wed Sep 01, 2010 6:21 pm

Use the "Transcription Toolbar" to increase playback speed http://manual.audacityteam.org/index.ph ... on_Toolbar
See here for info on Label Tracks: http://manual.audacityteam.org/index.ph ... bel_Tracks

A couple of useful keyboard shortcuts:
Ctrl+B (Add Label at Selection)
Ctrl+M (Add label while playing or recording)
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Re: Mach5 LightSpeed...??

Post by npags711 » Wed Sep 01, 2010 10:19 pm

Hey......thanks for the tip - I appreciate it...however...

If I use the "transcription toolbar" it distorts the pitch which obviously is a 'no go' when it comes to reviewing voice over's for editing purposes...so that wouldn't work well...

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Re: Mach5 LightSpeed...??

Post by steve » Wed Sep 01, 2010 10:44 pm

npags711 wrote:If I use the "transcription toolbar" it distorts the pitch
Ah ha - you never specified that ;)

In that case you will need to use the "Change Tempo" effect (Effect menu).

Make a duplicate copy of the track by selecting the track and pressing Ctrl+D (this is required because we're going to make a mess of the recording)
Select the duplicate track and from the Effect menu select "Change Tempo".
Set the slider to exactly 400% (use text entry).

You can mow listen to the track at 5 x the original speed (use the solo or mute buttons to silence the original track).

Add labels as required.

When you have all your labels, Select both the super-fast audio track and the label track.
Apply the Change Tempo effect again, but this time use -80% (minus 80).

Both tracks should now expand back to the original length.
The track that we've been messing with will sound terrible, so delete it.
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Re: Mach5 LightSpeed...??

Post by npags711 » Wed Sep 01, 2010 11:14 pm

Hey - thanks again for the help...I really appreciate it ;)

I tried something along the lines of what you're suggesting before I posted the question in this forum...but the issue I ran into was that changing the tempo in the duplicate track, changes the timeline - which throws off the labeling when I try to find the same position in the original track with the unchanged tempo...

Now it sounds like your suggestion is a lil diff from what I previously tried and I'm not sure if I'm completely following.........so a couple questions for ya...

Are you suggesting to add the labels to the duplicate track in which the tempo is changed or to the original/unchanged track?

You mention when I have all the labels completed to select both the super-fast audio track and the label track...and apply the Change Tempo effect again, but this time use -80% (minus 80).

Now why would I change the tempo to the original track b/c we never changed the tempo on that one?

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Really the biggest issue is easily noting where the labels would go while listening at higher speed...

Thanks again for your help ;)

-Nino

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Re: Mach5 LightSpeed...??

Post by steve » Thu Sep 02, 2010 12:10 am

npags711 wrote:Are you suggesting to add the labels to the duplicate track in which the tempo is changed or to the original/unchanged track?
Listen to the super fast duplicate and place labels to indicate the points on the super fast duplicate track.
npags711 wrote:You mention when I have all the labels completed to select both the super-fast audio track and the label track...and apply the Change Tempo effect again, but this time use -80% (minus 80).
Now why would I change the tempo to the original track b/c we never changed the tempo on that one?
No, don't apply it to the original track - apply it to the super-fast duplicate track and the label track. We want to stretch the label track so that it matches the original track.
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then stretch the super-fast + label track back to "original" size
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npags711 wrote:Really the biggest issue is easily noting where the labels would go while listening at higher speed...
You'll need to be super-fast with your trigger fingers on the "Ctrl" and "M" keys. :D
  • Ctrl+M to drop a marker (label)
  • Type in a label name (optional)
  • Press RETURN.
  • Get fingers ready for next label
It probably does not matter if you're a bit off - as long as you mark somewhere around the right place you should be able to find the exact place fairly easily.
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Re: Mach5 LightSpeed...??

Post by npags711 » Thu Sep 02, 2010 3:20 pm

Steve...

Ok - tried the method you suggested - I knew the 400% increase in tempo wasn't going to work b/c it's too fast/distorted to hear anything clearly but I figured I'd change to about a 30% increase or so and then figure out how to line the audio track's back up so that the 30% increased tempo track would be back to normal and align with the original...

I found a way to do that after some Einsten-like mathematical calculations (only slightly exaggerating)...BUT!!!....

The labels don't line up - b/c they just stay in the same position along the timeline...and don't shift to adjust for the change in tempo...

In other words, the labels you set in the increased tempo track (30% increase in speed) are exactly where they should be but when you shift the tempo back to normal (if you're a gifted mathematician and able to figure that out) the labels are completely off with the audio because they stay in the same position they were when we increased the tempo of the track (when you increase tempo - the timeline condenses compared with the original normal tempo track...)

Hopefully that makes sense...

So - the only solution I've thought of so far...which would prob. be a pain in the ass - is to listen to one track at 30% and determine how much time difference between the increased tempo track and the original track and then label from there...

Also...below

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I also wanted to ask you about two messages that pop up (one after the other)…

I searched the forum for previous discussions on the topic - but wanted to double check I’m doing the right thing with you…

The two text boxes that pop up are attached...


The only things out of the ordinary that might be causing this that I’m thinking of is =

1) Yesterday, I made a copy of one of the voice over recording sessions to see if I could find a solution to my original question before you first replied to my question…
2) I did the Ctrl D to make a duplicate track you suggested
3) And I’ve obviously been adjusting the tempo

That’s really it…

I def. want to make sure everything’s as I last saved it…

So, what should I do…which options should I select when these text boxes pop up??

Please let me know on both issues when you can - thanks Steve
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Re: Mach5 LightSpeed...??

Post by steve » Fri Sep 03, 2010 9:11 am

npags711 wrote:I knew the 400% increase in tempo wasn't going to work b/c it's too fast/distorted to hear anything clearly
Ha! You did ask for "Mach5 Light-Speed" :D

How about increase the Tempo by 100% and then slow down by -50%.
npags711 wrote:after some Einsten-like mathematical calculations
lol. Yes it's counter-intuitive isn't it, but it makes sense for "Tempo". If you want to increase the tempo of some music from 100 beats per minute to 120 bpm, then that's 20% increase. Fortunately there is also a text input option that allows you to enter the target length. If you speed up the track by x% and the original track length was 30 minutes, then to get back to the original speed just enter "Length (second) To: 1800" (30 x 60).
npags711 wrote:The labels don't line up - b/c they just stay in the same position along the timeline...and don't shift to adjust for the change in tempo...
You must ensure that both the audio track and the label track are selected.
You must be using Audacity 1.3.12 (old versions of Audacity do not have this feature).
npags711 wrote:I also wanted to ask you about ....
It's generally less confusing to start a new topic for each question.
npags711 wrote:about two messages that pop up
When you record in Audacity, the audio data is written as small (1 MB) blocks of data. Similarly when you copy/import a file into Audacity, the file is copied as small 1 MB chunks (blocks). These blocks of data are stored as files up to 1 MB in size (with names like "e00003be.au"), initially in the Audacity Temp folder, then when the Project is Saved they are moved to the Project "_data" folder. This means that (for example) if you delete a short section from a track, then Audacity does not need to rewrite the entire track data, it only needs to worry about the blocks that are in that section.

"Orphaned block files" means that some blocks of data got left over in the Temp directory from a previous project. That should not happen - block files should either be moved into the project _data folder when you save the project, or deleted when you close Audacity.

If you are working on an important project and Audacity crashes - if you then re-open Audacity and it says there are 148294027394 orphaned block files, the DO NOT delete them. Those block files will be the audio data from the previous project. Although in such an unfortunate case the chances of recovering the previous project are not very good, if you delete those orphans then you make data recovery considerably more difficult.

If on the other hand you have completed one project, successfully Exported it as a WAV file and deleted (or never saved) the Audacity Project, then it is safe to delete the orphaned block files because they don't belong to anything (poor little orphans).

"Detected ... missing audio data blockfile[s], (.au)"
These means that Audacity thinks that ... blockfiles have been lost from the current project. 1 MB of audio is usually around 6 seconds, so for each missing blockfile there is up to 6 seconds of audio missing from the project. Each blockfile is listed in the Project File (the .AUP file), and if Audacity cannot find all of the .au files that are listed then it will produce this error. If you're lucky, then the error could be that a block file is listed in the AUP file that shouldn't be, or the missing data is from an unimportant part of the track such as the "lead out" at the end of a recording. If you are less lucky, then there could be some silent gaps in the track where there should be sound.

Missing blockfiles may not be immediately obvious because Audacity stores the track waveform visuals in just some of the blockfiles. If there are blockfiles missing that do not contain the waveform graphic data, then the waveform will look fine, but when you play the track, or process it in any way, the missing data will be replaced with silence.

If I received this error on an important project, I would select "Temporarily Replace", then immediately check that I have sufficient fee disk space and Save the Project with a new name. I would then try to find which bit of data is missing. That can be done by listening to the entire project, or if you zoom in and out it will usually cause the waveform to be recalculated and redrawn, showing gaps where data is missing. Hopefully I would have a backup with which I can patch up the hole.
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Re: Mach5 LightSpeed...??

Post by npags711 » Fri Sep 03, 2010 2:26 pm

Thanks again for all your help - I'm very grateful...
lol. Yes it's counter-intuitive isn't it, but it makes sense for "Tempo". If you want to increase the tempo of some music from 100 beats per minute to 120 bpm, then that's 20% increase. Fortunately there is also a text input option that allows you to enter the target length. If you speed up the track by x% and the original track length was 30 minutes, then to get back to the original speed just enter "Length (second) To: 1800" (30 x 60).
You're totally right about this - rather than just multiplying the min's by 60 = you can just note precisely how long it is when you get into "Change Tempo" = it shows you in the box...so that works great...

You must ensure that both the audio track and the label track are selected.
You must be using Audacity 1.3.12 (old versions of Audacity do not have this feature).
I tried to select both the increased tempo track and the label track but "Ctrl" click...doesn't work ===== how do you select both at the same time??


Thanks for the help with the other question regarding orphaned files as well...

Talk soon - thanks again!

-Nino

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Re: Mach5 LightSpeed...??

Post by steve » Fri Sep 03, 2010 2:34 pm

to select multiple tracks:
The ENTER key will toggle the selection on the current track (selected <> not selected)
The Up/Down cursor keys will move focus from one track to the next.
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