Recording at 24bit appears to be 16 bits padded to 24bit

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Re: Recording at 24bit appears to be 16 bits padded to 24bit

Post by thunderstick » Wed Feb 11, 2009 12:05 am

eharmonica wrote:
thunderstick wrote:Alright then...totally raw recordings....

This one was produced with MME: MME FILE

This one was produced with DirectSound: Direct Sound FILE

I (very) anxiously await your test results ;)
They both look fine to me. And yes, I'm jealous. Could you tell us what your settings are?
That's great news!

I just arrived back here to post the new files I made (as you suggested with the in-between track silence)...guess I don't need to post the links? Well, here are 2 new ones I created for you anyhow (if they are in any way more precise to work with): MME Device & DirectSound Device

I'm not sure why you'd be jealous, if CEP works for you I'd be happy too. The one main reason I like using Audacity, aside from its simplicity, is the fact you don't install anything. I've been doing quite a bit of reading on both the Audacity forums and in others, and I wonder if infact drivers do not play a crucial part with regards to this problem, perhaps?

Aside from that, with regards to my settings, which ones would you like to know? As you're well aware, there really are but only a few that need configuring. I can see only Device and Project Rate, really. Let me know and I'll surely tell you.

But I do want to say thanks very much for testing my files. It would be an absolute nightmare to have to re-rip all the vinyl I've done so far, so, so many hours of time invested....ugh.

I had CEP queued up for installation had your report been negative, so again, eharmonica, I am grateful for your assistance in processing my files.

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Re: Recording at 24bit appears to be 16 bits padded to 24bit

Post by thunderstick » Wed Feb 11, 2009 12:32 am

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Re: Recording at 24bit appears to be 16 bits padded to 24bit

Post by eharmonica » Wed Feb 11, 2009 3:39 am

Well, Audacity is free. AND I've already ripped quite a few items with Audacity that are 16bit and need to be re-ripped for my own sake if nothing else.

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Re: Recording at 24bit appears to be 16 bits padded to 24bit

Post by thunderstick » Wed Feb 11, 2009 4:16 am

Which version(s) are/have you used?

Just as an example, I can't use anything above 1.3.3. Someone decided that my drivers no longer get support, so I cannot record with any newer version.

If you haven't already done so, try out the latest version and work backwards to see if you can find a version that may not have this issue. You never know.

And just as an aside, were you able (and willing) to test those 2 new samples and get the same results as the older ones :oops: ?

Thanks.

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Re: Recording at 24bit appears to be 16 bits padded to 24bit

Post by steve » Wed Feb 11, 2009 6:32 pm

thunderstick wrote:
stevethefiddle wrote:Here's an example that clearly shows samples that are not 16 bit values (vertical scale in dB)...
Perhaps you can advise me on how you achieved this screenshot.

In the Preferences/Interface the option of displaying -145dB range is there. I imported a file but the graph falls well below that range no matter if the file is 16 or 24bit....
I changed the range in Preferences to -145dB, then zoomed in repeatedly on the vertical scale using the mouse. My sound card is 16 bit in hardware, so to create samples below the -96dB range I synthesized a low amplitude sine wave from the Nyquist prompt.
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Re: Recording at 24bit appears to be 16 bits padded to 24bit

Post by steve » Wed Feb 11, 2009 6:43 pm

thunderstick wrote:I can't use anything above 1.3.3. Someone decided that my drivers no longer get support, so I cannot record with any newer version.
Driver support in Audacity has changed a couple of times in recent releases of Audacity in order to support as many types of hardware as possible. There were changes made after 1.3.3 that enabled it to support hardware that was not previously supported, but unfortunately this caused problems with some hardware that previously worked fine. So further updates have been made to correct these issues and add support for even more hardware. It may be worth trying Audacity 1.3.8 when it is released.
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Re: Recording at 24bit appears to be 16 bits padded to 24bit

Post by thunderstick » Wed Feb 11, 2009 8:21 pm

At this point I'll probably just wait until 1.4 is churned out. 1.3.3 does exactly what I need it to do.

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Re: Recording at 24bit appears to be 16 bits padded to 24bit

Post by thunderstick » Wed Feb 11, 2009 8:33 pm

stevethefiddle wrote:
thunderstick wrote:
stevethefiddle wrote:Here's an example that clearly shows samples that are not 16 bit values (vertical scale in dB)...
Perhaps you can advise me on how you achieved this screenshot.

In the Preferences/Interface the option of displaying -145dB range is there. I imported a file but the graph falls well below that range no matter if the file is 16 or 24bit....
I changed the range in Preferences to -145dB, then zoomed in repeatedly on the vertical scale using the mouse. My sound card is 16 bit in hardware, so to create samples below the -96dB range I synthesized a low amplitude sine wave from the Nyquist prompt.
Nope.

Still doesn't work for me. The audio file graphic range still goes well below -145 (for 16 & 24bit files) regardless of how much I zoom (and getting this thing to zoom in is a task in itself).

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Re: Recording at 24bit appears to be 16 bits padded to 24bit

Post by steve » Wed Feb 11, 2009 9:35 pm

thunderstick wrote:The audio file graphic range still goes well below -145 (for 16 & 24bit files)
Sorry, I don't understand what you mean. Perhaps you could post a screen shot to illustrate.
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Re: Recording at 24bit appears to be 16 bits padded to 24bit

Post by thunderstick » Wed Feb 11, 2009 9:43 pm

stevethefiddle wrote:
thunderstick wrote:The audio file graphic range still goes well below -145 (for 16 & 24bit files)
Sorry, I don't understand what you mean. Perhaps you could post a screen shot to illustrate.
Was just about to do that....

Image

(Obviously 16bit)

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