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Question about MultiTrck recrding of sounds directly from PC

Posted: Sat Dec 20, 2008 5:59 pm
by Chris Hooper
Hi there.
I was just wondering if anyone knows how I can record Multi-Tracks of sound files from the PC without overlaying the previous recorded track(s) into the new track(s) being recorded.
I have my preferences set to "Play other tracks while recording new one", and it's set on Stereo Mix. I'm trying to record different sounds using my VST Synthesizers, but everytime I do, I get the previous track(s) playing into the new track being recorded. I know the reason for this is because each one of my tracks is set to play music and sounds from the sound card, but I need Audacity to mute the sound signal(s) from the previous track(s) that were recorded, which are now being played and monitored, to the recording of the current track being recorded, and allow only current sounds being played in Real-Time to be recorded onto the new track while being able to hear and monitor the others track(s) that was/were recorded.
It sounds kind of complicated I guess, but all I want to do is record a new track while listening to my previous track, without it trying to overlay and record the playback track into the new track that's being recorded.
Like I said, all of the playing and recording is coming directly from my computer, not an outside source such as a cable connected into my Mic or Line In from an actual instrument.
So please don't say, "Well sorry about your luck if you're doing everything from and on your PC's soundcard as for as playing and recording goes", 'cause if that's the case, that makes this program quite useless for certain recording purposes.
Thank You Very Much. I appreciate any helpful answers.
Chris

Re: Question about MultiTrck recrding of sounds directly fro

Posted: Sat Dec 20, 2008 7:29 pm
by kozikowski
You need to stop recording Stereo Mix. In Windows, Stereo Mix is the show just as it leaves the sound card on the way to your speakers in the living room. It's recursive which makes your head hurt. It will re-record the click track that you're playing as a music guide, and record your live performance twice, once going into the computer and once again coming back out, usually with an echo between them.

Windows Control Panel
http://audacityteam.org/wiki/index.php? ... trol_Panel

Koz

Re: Question about MultiTrck recrding of sounds directly fro

Posted: Sun Dec 21, 2008 12:38 am
by Chris Hooper
I know that Koz, but as I stated, I need to record and monitor multiple PC sounds directly from my Sound Card at the same time, because all of my sound files are being played from VST Plugin Synthesizers. If I disable the Stereo Mix in either my Audio Control Panel or within Audacity itself, which I've already tested before I posted this question, then I can't record new sound files from my VST Synthesizers while listening to the prerecorded tracks.

I need to be able to listen to my precorded tracks while recording new tracks, all directly from my PC without any outside sources connected into a Mic or Line In and without it overlaying my previously recorded tracks.

Oh yeah, by the way. My Operating System is XP not Vista, so I don't have that dreaded Audio problem that a lot of people face with low end PC systems using Vista.

Re: Question about MultiTrck recrding of sounds directly fro

Posted: Sun Dec 21, 2008 1:04 am
by kozikowski
I've been doodling on the napkin with my trusty felt-tip pen and I'm pretty sure you can't do that in one pass. And even if you do kludge together a software pathway, it's going to be late because of all the transition/latency times.

You need to do it in layers--or borrow your mom's computer and use that as part of the production. Once you have all the layers, you can jockey them back and forth so the first note of all of them happens at the right time. One pass production like you want to do gives you no control over that, and typically, it's off. Nothing like a finished, mixed sound track where the cellos kick in an eighth second too early.

Koz

Re: Question about MultiTrck recrding of sounds directly fro

Posted: Sun Dec 21, 2008 1:07 am
by kozikowski
Oh, another place where that fails is remixing the relative sound levels. Since you never had a stand-alone cello track, you can't make it softer later.

Koz

Re: Question about MultiTrck recrding of sounds directly fro

Posted: Sun Dec 21, 2008 1:35 am
by Chris Hooper
That's exactly what I think as well, Koz. I went over all options with my trusty grey matter-tipped brain, and even tested and exhausted all options that I could think of, to come to the same conclusion that you mentioned therein.
I have several laptops, so running a line in from an external source such as another PC wouldn't be a problem for me, but this was intended for my brother who only has one PC.

I guess he could always get a Digital Multi Track Recorder from eBay. I saw a pretty decent one on there earlier for $70 after Shipping and Handling fees.

LOL

Thank You for your help. :)

Re: Question about MultiTrck recrding of sounds directly fro

Posted: Sun Dec 21, 2008 1:13 pm
by steve
The "stereo mix" method for recording software synths is really just a "workaround" for overcoming the limitations of Windows WDM drivers. You are now running into the limitations of that workaround.

The only option is to use muli-client audio drivers, which in the case of Windows means ASIO.

ASIO support can not be distributed in Audacity because of licensing restrictions, but it is possible (though not particularly easy) to add ASIO support to your own personal version of Audacity. This involves building Audacity from the source code. You will find more information about this here: http://audacityteam.org/wiki/index.php? ... _Interface

An easier method is to use software that supports ASIO out of the box for your recording. You can still use Audacity for editing and mixing.