If I upgrade 1.3.13 to 2.0.6 will the 1.3.13 audio files function with 2.0.6 version?
What are the steps to upgrade?
For future upgrades is there a notification feature for new versions?
Yes, Audacity 2.x is backwardly compatible with 1.3.x projects.
Uninstall the 1.3.13 version first, then install Audacity 2.0.6 using the recommended installer.
Because it is such a big jump from 1.3.13 to 2.0.6 I would recommend that you select the option to “reset preferences” during the installation.
For future 2.x updates you will be able to just install over the top of the previous 2.x version.
You can register your email address at the bottom of the Audacity home page to be notified of new releases: http://audacityteam.org/
As far as basic operational use, is there a big difference between 1.3.13 and 2.0.6 versions?
The reason I ask is because, when I plug in the HDMI cable and add a HDTV to my laptop. (duplicate screen mode)
For some reason the 1.3.13v does not detect audio, once I switch to laptop screen only, 1.3.13v detects audio.
The windows 7 volume mixer shows the audio source but 1.3.13v does not detect it.
It has something to do with switching to duplicate screen mode, using HDMI
Do you think 2.0.6 version would correct this problem.
I don’t think so, unless it was a bug in the third-party PortAudio audio interface we use which is now fixed.
Even if not, it would still be much better to upgrade to 2.0.6, which has many bug fixes and new features compared to 1.3.13. Plus, there is no technical support for 1.3 versions any longer.
Do I take it you are trying to record the HDTV? Have you tried both MME and Windows DirectSound host in Device Toolbar?
Have you tried Transport > Rescan Audio Devices in Audacity after switching to duplicate screens? Does using only the HDTV screen give the same problem?
Gale
No, Just the audio from the internet.
All I’m doing is sending audio/video signal via HDMI from computer to the HDTV.
When the computer switches to duplicate screen mode.
Audio to Audacity cuts off.
Audio is seen on volume mixer and heard on HDTV
Yes, no change
Yes, no change
Yes, no change
Audio is seen on the Audacity VU meter until the computer switches to duplicate screen mode when using HDMI cable.
Unpluging HDMI cable from computer restores audio to Audacity VU meter.
Strange?
You may be experiencing part of the HDMI Quality Assurance (copy protection) service. When you watch a movie, it’s made to go exclusively up the HDMI cable to the display device and make no stops along the way. Branches and other services are locked out.
However, you may not need that just to record YouTube.
http://manual.audacityteam.org/o/man/tutorial_recording_audio_playing_on_the_computer.html
Koz
What happens if you play a song in Windows Media Player with the HDMI output as default playback device in Windows Sound? Does the TV get the song audio with a) laptop screen only b) duplicated screens or c) HDTV only?
If possible, can you grab the information from Help > Audio Device Info… top of the Audacity menus for situation a)? Right-click in the Info window, Select All, CTRL + C to copy, press the Code button above the message window here, then paste.
Then close the Info window, change the display to duplicated, Transport > Rescan Audio Devices, open Audio Device Info… and copy/paste that info here. Finally change the display to HDTV only, do another rescan of audio devices then paste another set of info here. Please make clear which set of information is for a), b) and c).
Thanks.
Gale
A) laptop screen only — No audio on HDTV, Audio on Laptop
B) duplicated screens – Audio on HDTV only
C) HDTV only ------------ Audio on HDTV only
Audio Device Info for situation A below:
Audio Device Info for situation A
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Default capture device number: 1
Default playback device number: 3
==============================
Device ID: 0
Device name: Microsoft Sound Mapper - Input
Host name: MME
Input channels: 2
Output channels: 0
Low Input Latency: 0.200000
Low Output Latency: 0.200000
High Input Latency: 0.400000
High Output Latency: 0.400000
Supported Rates:
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Device ID: 1
Device name: Stereo Mix (Realtek High Defini
Host name: MME
Input channels: 2
Output channels: 0
Low Input Latency: 0.200000
Low Output Latency: 0.200000
High Input Latency: 0.400000
High Output Latency: 0.400000
Supported Rates:
==============================
Device ID: 2
Device name: Microsoft Sound Mapper - Output
Host name: MME
Input channels: 0
Output channels: 2
Low Input Latency: 0.200000
Low Output Latency: 0.200000
High Input Latency: 0.400000
High Output Latency: 0.400000
Supported Rates:
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==============================
Device ID: 3
Device name: Speakers (Realtek High Definiti
Host name: MME
Input channels: 0
Output channels: 2
Low Input Latency: 0.200000
Low Output Latency: 0.200000
High Input Latency: 0.400000
High Output Latency: 0.400000
Supported Rates:
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==============================
Device ID: 4
Device name: Primary Sound Capture Driver
Host name: MME
Input channels: 2
Output channels: 0
Low Input Latency: 0.000000
Low Output Latency: 0.000000
High Input Latency: 0.000000
High Output Latency: 0.000000
Supported Rates:
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Device ID: 5
Device name: Stereo Mix (Realtek High Definition Audio)
Host name: MME
Input channels: 2
Output channels: 0
Low Input Latency: 0.000000
Low Output Latency: 0.000000
High Input Latency: 0.000000
High Output Latency: 0.000000
Supported Rates:
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Device ID: 6
Device name: Primary Sound Driver
Host name: MME
Input channels: 0
Output channels: 2
Low Input Latency: 0.000000
Low Output Latency: 0.000000
High Input Latency: 0.000000
High Output Latency: 0.000000
Supported Rates:
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==============================
Device ID: 7
Device name: Speakers (Realtek High Definition Audio)
Host name: MME
Input channels: 0
Output channels: 2
Low Input Latency: 0.000000
Low Output Latency: 0.000000
High Input Latency: 0.000000
High Output Latency: 0.000000
Supported Rates:
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==============================
Selected capture device: 1 - Stereo Mix (Realtek High Defini
Selected playback device: 3 - Speakers (Realtek High Definiti
Supported Rates:
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==============================
Available mixers:
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Available capture sources:
0 - Master Volume
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Available playback volumes:
0 - CD Audio
1 - Master Volume
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Capture volume is native
Playback volume is native
Audio Device Info for situation B below:
Audio Device Info for situation B
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Default capture device number: 1
Default playback device number: 3
==============================
Device ID: 0
Device name: Microsoft Sound Mapper - Input
Host name: MME
Input channels: 2
Output channels: 0
Low Input Latency: 0.200000
Low Output Latency: 0.200000
High Input Latency: 0.400000
High Output Latency: 0.400000
Supported Rates:
==============================
Device ID: 1
Device name: Stereo Mix (Realtek High Defini
Host name: MME
Input channels: 2
Output channels: 0
Low Input Latency: 0.200000
Low Output Latency: 0.200000
High Input Latency: 0.400000
High Output Latency: 0.400000
Supported Rates:
==============================
Device ID: 2
Device name: Microsoft Sound Mapper - Output
Host name: MME
Input channels: 0
Output channels: 2
Low Input Latency: 0.200000
Low Output Latency: 0.200000
High Input Latency: 0.400000
High Output Latency: 0.400000
Supported Rates:
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==============================
Device ID: 3
Device name: ATI HDMI Output (ATI High Defin
Host name: MME
Input channels: 0
Output channels: 2
Low Input Latency: 0.200000
Low Output Latency: 0.200000
High Input Latency: 0.400000
High Output Latency: 0.400000
Supported Rates:
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==============================
Device ID: 4
Device name: Speakers (Realtek High Definiti
Host name: MME
Input channels: 0
Output channels: 2
Low Input Latency: 0.200000
Low Output Latency: 0.200000
High Input Latency: 0.400000
High Output Latency: 0.400000
Supported Rates:
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==============================
Device ID: 5
Device name: Primary Sound Capture Driver
Host name: MME
Input channels: 2
Output channels: 0
Low Input Latency: 0.000000
Low Output Latency: 0.000000
High Input Latency: 0.000000
High Output Latency: 0.000000
Supported Rates:
==============================
Device ID: 6
Device name: Stereo Mix (Realtek High Definition Audio)
Host name: MME
Input channels: 2
Output channels: 0
Low Input Latency: 0.000000
Low Output Latency: 0.000000
High Input Latency: 0.000000
High Output Latency: 0.000000
Supported Rates:
==============================
Device ID: 7
Device name: Primary Sound Driver
Host name: MME
Input channels: 0
Output channels: 2
Low Input Latency: 0.000000
Low Output Latency: 0.000000
High Input Latency: 0.000000
High Output Latency: 0.000000
Supported Rates:
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==============================
Device ID: 8
Device name: ATI HDMI Output (ATI High Definition Audio Device)
Host name: MME
Input channels: 0
Output channels: 2
Low Input Latency: 0.000000
Low Output Latency: 0.000000
High Input Latency: 0.000000
High Output Latency: 0.000000
Supported Rates:
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==============================
Device ID: 9
Device name: Speakers (Realtek High Definition Audio)
Host name: MME
Input channels: 0
Output channels: 2
Low Input Latency: 0.000000
Low Output Latency: 0.000000
High Input Latency: 0.000000
High Output Latency: 0.000000
Supported Rates:
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==============================
Selected capture device: 1 - Stereo Mix (Realtek High Defini
Selected playback device: 3 - ATI HDMI Output (ATI High Defin
Supported Rates:
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Unable to open Portmixer
Audio Device Info for situation C below:
Audio Device Info for situation C
==============================
Default capture device number: 1
Default playback device number: 3
==============================
Device ID: 0
Device name: Microsoft Sound Mapper - Input
Host name: MME
Input channels: 2
Output channels: 0
Low Input Latency: 0.200000
Low Output Latency: 0.200000
High Input Latency: 0.400000
High Output Latency: 0.400000
Supported Rates:
==============================
Device ID: 1
Device name: Stereo Mix (Realtek High Defini
Host name: MME
Input channels: 2
Output channels: 0
Low Input Latency: 0.200000
Low Output Latency: 0.200000
High Input Latency: 0.400000
High Output Latency: 0.400000
Supported Rates:
==============================
Device ID: 2
Device name: Microsoft Sound Mapper - Output
Host name: MME
Input channels: 0
Output channels: 2
Low Input Latency: 0.200000
Low Output Latency: 0.200000
High Input Latency: 0.400000
High Output Latency: 0.400000
Supported Rates:
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==============================
Device ID: 3
Device name: ATI HDMI Output (ATI High Defin
Host name: MME
Input channels: 0
Output channels: 2
Low Input Latency: 0.200000
Low Output Latency: 0.200000
High Input Latency: 0.400000
High Output Latency: 0.400000
Supported Rates:
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==============================
Device ID: 4
Device name: Speakers (Realtek High Definiti
Host name: MME
Input channels: 0
Output channels: 2
Low Input Latency: 0.200000
Low Output Latency: 0.200000
High Input Latency: 0.400000
High Output Latency: 0.400000
Supported Rates:
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==============================
Device ID: 5
Device name: Primary Sound Capture Driver
Host name: MME
Input channels: 2
Output channels: 0
Low Input Latency: 0.000000
Low Output Latency: 0.000000
High Input Latency: 0.000000
High Output Latency: 0.000000
Supported Rates:
==============================
Device ID: 6
Device name: Stereo Mix (Realtek High Definition Audio)
Host name: MME
Input channels: 2
Output channels: 0
Low Input Latency: 0.000000
Low Output Latency: 0.000000
High Input Latency: 0.000000
High Output Latency: 0.000000
Supported Rates:
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Device ID: 7
Device name: Primary Sound Driver
Host name: MME
Input channels: 0
Output channels: 2
Low Input Latency: 0.000000
Low Output Latency: 0.000000
High Input Latency: 0.000000
High Output Latency: 0.000000
Supported Rates:
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==============================
Device ID: 8
Device name: ATI HDMI Output (ATI High Definition Audio Device)
Host name: MME
Input channels: 0
Output channels: 2
Low Input Latency: 0.000000
Low Output Latency: 0.000000
High Input Latency: 0.000000
High Output Latency: 0.000000
Supported Rates:
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==============================
Device ID: 9
Device name: Speakers (Realtek High Definition Audio)
Host name: MME
Input channels: 0
Output channels: 2
Low Input Latency: 0.000000
Low Output Latency: 0.000000
High Input Latency: 0.000000
High Output Latency: 0.000000
Supported Rates:
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==============================
Selected capture device: 1 - Stereo Mix (Realtek High Defini
Selected playback device: 3 - ATI HDMI Output (ATI High Defin
Supported Rates:
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Unable to open Portmixer
Audio Device Info for situation B with Audacity settings as follows:
Audio Host - Windows Direct Sound
Output Device - Primary Sound Driver
Input Device- Primary Sound Capture Driver
below:
Audio Device Info for situation B with Audacity settings as follows:
Audio Host - Windows Direct Sound
Output Device - Primary Sound Driver
Input Device - Primary Sound Capture Driver
==============================
Default capture device number: 1
Default playback device number: 3
==============================
Device ID: 0
Device name: Microsoft Sound Mapper - Input
Host name: Windows DirectSound
Input channels: 2
Output channels: 0
Low Input Latency: 0.200000
Low Output Latency: 0.200000
High Input Latency: 0.400000
High Output Latency: 0.400000
Supported Rates:
==============================
Device ID: 1
Device name: Stereo Mix (Realtek High Defini
Host name: Windows DirectSound
Input channels: 2
Output channels: 0
Low Input Latency: 0.200000
Low Output Latency: 0.200000
High Input Latency: 0.400000
High Output Latency: 0.400000
Supported Rates:
==============================
Device ID: 2
Device name: Microsoft Sound Mapper - Output
Host name: Windows DirectSound
Input channels: 0
Output channels: 2
Low Input Latency: 0.200000
Low Output Latency: 0.200000
High Input Latency: 0.400000
High Output Latency: 0.400000
Supported Rates:
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==============================
Device ID: 3
Device name: ATI HDMI Output (ATI High Defin
Host name: Windows DirectSound
Input channels: 0
Output channels: 2
Low Input Latency: 0.200000
Low Output Latency: 0.200000
High Input Latency: 0.400000
High Output Latency: 0.400000
Supported Rates:
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Device ID: 4
Device name: Speakers (Realtek High Definiti
Host name: Windows DirectSound
Input channels: 0
Output channels: 2
Low Input Latency: 0.200000
Low Output Latency: 0.200000
High Input Latency: 0.400000
High Output Latency: 0.400000
Supported Rates:
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Device ID: 5
Device name: Primary Sound Capture Driver
Host name: Windows DirectSound
Input channels: 2
Output channels: 0
Low Input Latency: 0.000000
Low Output Latency: 0.000000
High Input Latency: 0.000000
High Output Latency: 0.000000
Supported Rates:
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Device ID: 6
Device name: Stereo Mix (Realtek High Definition Audio)
Host name: Windows DirectSound
Input channels: 2
Output channels: 0
Low Input Latency: 0.000000
Low Output Latency: 0.000000
High Input Latency: 0.000000
High Output Latency: 0.000000
Supported Rates:
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Device ID: 7
Device name: Primary Sound Driver
Host name: Windows DirectSound
Input channels: 0
Output channels: 2
Low Input Latency: 0.000000
Low Output Latency: 0.000000
High Input Latency: 0.000000
High Output Latency: 0.000000
Supported Rates:
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Device ID: 8
Device name: ATI HDMI Output (ATI High Definition Audio Device)
Host name: Windows DirectSound
Input channels: 0
Output channels: 2
Low Input Latency: 0.000000
Low Output Latency: 0.000000
High Input Latency: 0.000000
High Output Latency: 0.000000
Supported Rates:
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Device ID: 9
Device name: Speakers (Realtek High Definition Audio)
Host name: Windows DirectSound
Input channels: 0
Output channels: 2
Low Input Latency: 0.000000
Low Output Latency: 0.000000
High Input Latency: 0.000000
High Output Latency: 0.000000
Supported Rates:
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Selected capture device: 5 - Primary Sound Capture Driver
Selected playback device: 7 - Primary Sound Driver
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Unable to open Portmixer
Playback Devices:
(Ati HDMI Output, Ati High Definition Audio Device, Default Device) HDCP not supported
(Speakers - Realtek High Definition Audio, Default Multimedia Device)
Recording Devices:
Mic at front panel (pink) Realtek High Definition Audio, not plugged in
Microphone - Realtek High Definition Audio, Disabled
Stereo Mix - Realtek High Definition Audio, Default Multimedia Device
Realtek Audio Manager, Is disabled when HDMI is used, i.e. sound effects processor (EQ) does not effect audio.
Note: The EQ in the Windows Media Player stays enabled when using HDMI interface.
Thanks,
Thanks for all the detail.
So when you have the TV connected to the HDMI output, but you choose to send the display to the laptop only, the HDMI audio output device is not available in Windows (you don’t see HDMI audio in the Playback tab in Windows Sound)?
That’s what it looks like from your Audio Device Info in situation A).
For B) and C) do you see “Error opening sound device” in Audacity? Or does the playback cursor move?
Gale
That is correct, Here is a Screen shot of Windows Sound Playback device window.
The vertical VU meter is not visible to the right of the ATI HDMI Output device.
If I plug in the HDMI cable into the laptop, it looks like this Screen shot.
Once the HDMI interface and HDTV completes their handshake, the vertical VU meter appears to the right of the ATI HDMI Output device.
The laptop display goes black for a second when switching over to HDMI interface and duplicate screen mode.
When plugging in HDMI cable the laptop senses the HDTV communication signal and switches over to HDMI interface and duplicate screen mode automatically.
By pressing f4 I can manually switch display devices.
With the Audacity Output Device drop down, I can switch audio from HDTV speakers to laptop speakers.
Here is a Screen Shot of Windows Sound Recording device window, when HDTV is added.
Audio is only present with laptop display Screen Shot
No,
Audacity Playback through HDMI functions correctly. cursor moves.
Audio is heard from the HDTV speakers.
Only time I see “Error opening sound device” is when I unplug HDMI cable and fail to Rescan Audio Devices. After rescan error is corrected.
I also discovered when using HDMI the laptop Audio-out (headphone) jack is disabled.
My hunch is, the sound card must be blocking audio to windows sound when HDMI is used. At least for this laptop.
What is interesting, the laptop does not have a High definition Blu-ray disc drive. Just DVD
Any Ideas,
Thanks
Sorry can I just recap on the essential problem. It appears now that there is not a playback problem in Audacity, in fact Audacity plays to the TV in the same way that Windows Media Player does.
You said you were recordings songs from the internet. Then you say:
All I’m doing is sending audio/video signal via HDMI from computer to the HDTV.
When the computer switches to duplicate screen mode.
Audio to Audacity cuts off.
Audio is seen on volume mixer and heard on HDTV
What sound are you sending to the TV - a song playing in the web browser?
From what you said about Windows Media Player, you can’t send a song to the TV unless you are sending video to it. You may have to live with that. So can you play a song in Audacity and hear the song on the TV when you are sending video to it?
But when you play a song in the web browser and send the video and audio to the TV, Audacity won’t record it? That would be expected because Realtek Stereo Mix can only record sound playing on the Realtek device. It can’t record from the HDMI device.
In that case, Windows WASAPI host in Audacity would be expected to record the song playing on the HDMI output. But your Audio Device Info does not list WASAPI, so I assume you must still be using 1.3.13. Upgrade to 2.0.6 from Audacity ® | Download for Windows. Then try setting the playback device in Audacity Device Toolbar to the HDMI output and the recording device to the (loopback) of the HDMI output.
It’s possible you have a setting in the Realtek Control Panel in the Windows Control Panel itself to determine what the headphones do. They usually have a setting to set the headphones to speaker out, so you can play a song in the built-in speakers and the headphones at the same time. If the headphones have a setting to take sound from the HDMI output then you can record that sound by choosing the stereo mix input in Device Toolbar. Otherwise you will have to try WASAPI.
Gale
That is correct.
Sorry about that, what I meant to say is:
When the computer switches to duplicate screen mode using the HDMI cable, the audio input to Audacity cuts off.
A group of people and I were about to watch a live audio/video internet stream.
I connected the laptop to the HDTV using the HDMI connection.
Just before the live audio/video internet stream was about to start, I thought
I should record the audio of the live audio/video internet stream.
I opened Audacity and after clicking on the Audacity Input Meter and switching the Audacity Input devices,
I could not find the live audio/video internet stream audio.
All I wanted to do is connect a laptop to a HDTV using HDMI, to watch a live audio/video internet stream coming from the laptop on the HDTV.
And at the same time using Audacity to record just the audio from the live Audio/video internet stream.
Yes, Audacity playback functions normal using HDMI on HDTV.
This answers my question.
Why can’t you record from a HDMI device?
This will solve the problem. If it works.
I will Upgrade to 2.0.6 and post the results.
I never could find any setting to set the headphones.
It just says Full range speakers in the Realtek Control Panel.
There are times when it is useful to hear the built-in speakers and the headphones at the same time.
The Laptop manual states that when plugging in headphones it shuts off built-in speakers.
It might be switching off the built-in speakers inside the jack itself.
Unless I’m missing something.
Thanks,
Because the audio is playing on a different device than the device trying to record it. There is no signal path from HDMI output to Realtek input.
Gale