Edgar wrote:From a GUI standpoint:
While discoverable, the "Show Help" in the "Select Action" drop down is not user friendly; make it a button--there is lots of room on the dialog. Also not user friendly, when you do select "Show Help" you must then click "OK" to view Help and this is a "destructive" action (the Cross Fade dialog closes). The help dialog should be independent of the fade dialog (but should close with the fade dialog). More unfriendly, the "help" action is sticky so after clicking OK and reading and closing the help dialog, when you re-open the CF dialog "Show Help" is the selected default.
Edgar wrote:When either In or Out are selected as solo actions the "Fade Length"... stuff should be ghosted or gone.
Edgar wrote:The top is my starting point, the middle is the current behaviour, the bottom is what I want to end up with
Edgar wrote:I would extend the ability of the function by adding a "center" so that when xFading the fade-in and fade-out don't have to be the same length.
Edgar wrote:I want a non-destructive version.
"The 'Fade Shape' offers a choice between a simple curve, or an 'S' shaped curve."
'Cross Fade' fades out the first 'n' seconds of the selection and fades in the final 'n' seconds, where 'n' is the 'Fade Length' in seconds. 'Fade In' and 'Fade Out' act on the entire selection.
;; version 3 plug-in (requires Audacity 1.3 or later)
Gale Andrews wrote:Then "Fade Length" in the interface could actually be 10 seconds where there is a selection of at least 10 seconds.
Gale Andrews wrote:That should read "1.3.4" by the way.
Gale Andrews wrote:I thought we wanted "Cross-Fade" with a hyphen given we don't use the more common "Crossfade"? Not that I care as long as we are consistent.
Gale Andrews wrote:No need for "," before "or"
Gale Andrews wrote:Should not "mid-point" in the Help be "midpoint"?
Gale Andrews wrote:Then maybe "Strength of fade midpoint" instead of "Curve (increase to boost mid fade)"? I find a second "Curve" concept in addition to shape confusing.
Gale Andrews wrote:Why single-quote 'Cross Fade'?
Gale Andrews wrote:Would the whole cross-fade thing be simpler if we excluded standard fade in and out?
Gale Andrews wrote: I think there are other plug-ins we want to add that can do more advanced fade in/out,
Gale Andrews wrote:Then we could say "Cross Fade' fades out the first ' x' seconds of the selection and fades in the final ' y' seconds, where 'x' + ' y' is the 'Fade Length' in seconds." Then "Fade Length" in the interface could actually be 10 seconds where there is a selection of at least 10 seconds.
Gale Andrews wrote: I think lots of people will select 5.5 seconds in the waveform, "Fade Length" of 5 seconds and then not understand why there is an error.
The selection length (5.50 seconds) is too short
for the initial 5 and final 5 seconds to fade.
For a 5 second cross-fade the selection must be
at least 10 seconds."
Gale Andrews wrote:Or could there be a default "idiot's fade" where it just cross-fades the selection given to it?
When 'Cross-Fade' is selected, the fade duration is
determined by the 'Fade Length' setting. For example,
Fade Length = 3 seconds
The first 3 seconds of the selection fade out,
The final 3 seconds of the selection fade in.
The two sections are then overlapped.
In this example the selection must be at least 6
seconds to accommodate both fade sections.
Gale Andrews wrote:there is no mention that a single track or multi-track fade can be made, so people like Edgar used to doing it "properly" on two tracks may not even realise it can be done on one.
steve wrote:Gale Andrews wrote:Or could there be a default "idiot's fade" where it just cross-fades the selection given to it?
(also Bill's comment "I think the cross-fade length should be eliminated from the dialog")
We have to assume that the user may not make the selection such that exactly half of the selection is the end of the first song and that the other (exact) half is the start of the second song. Let's say that the user selects the final 6 seconds of the first song and the initial 4 seconds of the second song. If the "idiot's fade" cross-faded this selection then the fade out would consist of the first 5 seconds of the first song and the fade-in would consist of the final second of the first song, plus the first 4 seconds of the second song. (Audacity Nyquist does not know when audio clips start and end.)
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