Checking For ACX Coimpliance

I have Audacity on my main computer (Windows 10), with the ACX plug-in. However, the laptop I was going to use to produce my audiobooks just died. So unless you guys can recommend a good Windows ultrabook or laptop for around $200, I’m stuck doing the recording on my Chromebook - which may not be such a bad thing, since it’s really quiet. Having searched the forum several times over, I’ve concluded that I can import a .wav file recorded elsewhere into Audacity and still get ACX Check to give me a baseline on quality, and do the editing. I’ve also done some searching and found out that there are several online recording sites that should be able to produce a decent recording that will meet specs. But which one, if any?

So my questions are:

  1. Can I edit and check a .wav file recorded via other software/equipment?
  2. Can you recommend a good alternative to Audacity that will run on Chromebook or Android (since I also have a very old tablet, too)?

Thanks for any help.

there are several online recording sites that should be able to produce a decent recording that will meet specs.

You… What?

Nobody wrote that you have to shoot and process your voice on the same machine. I’ve been able to shoot respectable voice tracks with Zoom and Olympus recorders. I have almost all the parts to test record voice on an iPhone. I’ve done temporary voice tracks with the built-in microphone on a laptop.

A quiet, well behaved room with no echoes is far more important than the recorder or microphone.

A cousin posting is trying to produce good quality voice work with a special-purpose communications/close-talking microphone in a noisy household with yelling kids. It’s amazingly difficult. I probably wouldn’t do it that way.

Koz

It could be said that using one of the stand-alone recorders is preferable because they have no fans and make 0.00 noise.

There was recent theatrical radio production of a woman who dragged her small, personal recorder and a duvet/quilt into a hotel closet to record a chapter or two…and locked herself in…and left the recorder running. Anything she was going to do with her readings was just floor-sweepings in comparison to the drama of listening to her trying to get someone’s attention to let her out.

I thought it was entertaining but all I really saw was someone recording an audiobook in any random hotel closet with a bunch of bedding. And she apparently does this all the time.

Koz

Thanks for the reply. I do have a stand-alone recorder I could play with. The nice, quiet room is taken care of. Now, what, if any, advantage is there to recording into the .aup format as opposed to .wav or even .mp3? I mean, just because you can produce a good audiobook from a .wav file doesn’t mean that there are not significant advantages to using .aup. And, hell, I’ve got the interface and condenser mike.

I do appreciate the time and effort you guys put in.

And I’d like to add thanks for suggesting the stand-alone (okay, maybe it wasn’t a suggestion). As it happens, I have an old Alesis Palm Track 24bit/mp3 recorder. Still trying to figure out how to set the gain, etc., on it, but here are two test clips I recorded today. The recorder has a setting for AutoGain, which I have turned off. It also has a switch for Mic Gain High/Low, plus another switch for Record Volume that has a numerical scale labeled gain on the display. Test clip one is with the Mic Gain set to High, Test clip two is with Mic Gain set to Low. Both have the Record Level set about 2/3 of the way up the volume scale (set at 20 out of 30 steps). Both failed ACX check for Peak levels and RMS levels. But at the very least, you will hopefully be able to tell me if the room is quiet enough, whether there are echoes, and it does sound a touch tinny to me, so if I"m not going to get the good sound I need, then I’m back to finding a cheap laptop.

AUP is not a sound format. It’s the legacy Audacity project format. That can be handy if you want to save a multitrack production with all the positions and offsets retained, but less reliable for a simple recording.

MP3 always adds sound damage. Full stop.

So WAV it is.

I need to get back home to listen.

Koz

there are several online recording sites that should be able to produce a decent recording that will meet specs.

While I’m doing that, can you talk a bit about the above? People routinely go to a lot of effort to avoid sending show sound down the internet pipes because of instability, damage and quality problems.

Koz

Write down how you did the second clip.


Open the first clip in Audacity and View > Show Clipping. All those red marks are permanent sound damage from being too loud. So that’s that one. Isn’t there some sort of volume indicator on the recorder that changes color or flashes or something to indicate what you’re doing?

The second one is good for submission with a couple of simple corrections. Since I was being obsessive, I used three (attached, corrected).
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I guess step one is the sound quality which is pretty much perfect after I got done. ACX has a failure called “Overprocessing” where they can hear what you did to your voice. I don’t think you’re going to get that failure.

I applied a custom filter called SetRMS to force the presentation to meet ACX RMS (Loudness) standards. Then I applied Effect > Limiter to clean up any damage SetRMS may have done (there was a tiny bit). After I did that, the corrected piece meets AudioBook standards.

However. You also have a tiny fan whine or other odd “insect” sound way in the background that I personally didn’t like, so I also applied Effect > Noise Reduction at the most gentle settings and that got rid of it.

So now we’re down to theatrical reading standards and I think you’re pretty much good to go there, too.

I can listen to a story in that voice.

I don’t remember where this thread is, but I wrote down the steps in an AudioBook Mastering document.

http://kozco.com/tech/audacity/ACXMastering/ACXMastering.html

I did the process all the way through Noise Reduction. I personally would recommend Noise Reduction, even though the reading passes technical standards without it. It just sounds better without that whine.

Have you ever used Effect > Nyquist? It’s a tool that just opens up a window and invites you to program your own tool. Conveniently enough, Steve has already written SetRMS and it’s up to you to copy and paste the program into the blank window. No, it’s not a formal filter or tool yet.

You already have ACX-Check, right? So go down through that process and see where you get stuck. I can’t think of a good way to re-write it to be simpler. The top block is comments and notes, the second block is tools and how to install them and the third block is actually doing it.

Koz

Oh, right. There was another problem. The original voice capture was MP3. MP3 is not recommended for original entertainment recording. MP3 is intended for the end product. Make an MP3 for your Personal Music Player to take with you to the beach.

MP3 produces stealth problems. MP3 gets its tiny, convenient sound files by very cleverly hiding sound damage. As long as you stay in uncompressed, perfect quality WAV files after recording, there’s no trouble. ACX wants you to submit your work in MP3.

Oops.

They want 192 mono (not stereo) quality. What you’re going to get is a quality reduction as a combination of the two MP3s. You won’t be sending 192 quality even if that’s what it says in the tools.

Then, ACX is going to make other MP3 products and services out of your submission and the quality is going to go down again.

They have some leeway in the production tools and you may get away with it if you capture in the very highest quality the recorder will do, and submit higher than 192. MP3 quality specifications are minimums.


If this was easy, anybody could do it.

Koz

The Alesis can be set to deliver in WAV instead of MP3. Do that.

Koz

While you’re experimenting, start a recording facing the recorder display and then tip it so the top is facing you. Maintain the same lip spacing. It’s possible the sound quality is going to change when you do that. Pick the one you like best. I can’t get the instructions to tell me how to orient the recorder for best results.

The instructions do say there is a sound meter on the display. So you don’t have to guess what the volume is. I’m beginning to like this thing. Is has a lot of the same features as my Olympus and the original Zoom H2. The “non n” H2 was just a very good recorder and used prices on eBay are the same as or greater than the original price.

That’s an H2 on the rock.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QcVec_RPwuc

Koz

I’m listening on a much larger sound system and I think I can hear some MP3 odd sounds (talking in a wine glass) in there. If the last thing the Alesis was used for was voice memos, chances are it’s set for the highest compression, smallest sound files and minimum sound quality. So with a button push, you may be able to increase the voice quality, and then again if one orientation of the recorder turns out better than the other.

Koz

There is one other possibility, too, as I’m finding out with one of my recorders. You could have environment and noise suppression running which gives you a very quiet noise level but a slightly honky voice. If you get rid of the effect, your noise level may skyrocket (as mine did) even as the voice quality becomes much more natural.

Koz

Oh, right. There was another problem. The original voice capture was MP3. MP3 is not recommended for original entertainment recording. MP3 is intended for the end product. Make an MP3 for your Personal Music Player to take with you to the beach.

MP3 produces stealth problems. MP3 gets its tiny, convenient sound files by very cleverly hiding sound damage. As long as you stay in uncompressed, perfect quality WAV files after recording, there’s no trouble. ACX wants you to submit your work in MP3.

Well, that’s weird. I did set it to record in .wav, 24 bit, at a 48000 sample rate. It does keep changing back to .mp3 when I turn the darned thing off, then on again. But I’m 90% sure I’d set it to .wav when I did the other clips.

BTW, I’d gotten some other clips pretty close to compliance. As for the tiny whine in the background, that’s probably the wine fridge and a freezer. Easy to turn off.

Thanks for your thoughts, though, and for the link to the mastering doc/list. Will use the SetRMF

there are several online recording sites that should be able to produce a decent recording that will meet specs.

While I’m doing that, can you talk a bit about the above? People routinely go to a lot of effort to avoid sending show sound down the internet pipes because of instability, damage and quality problems.

When it became clear that my recording laptop was not going to work, I did a google search on ways to record on Chromebook, since I have one and it’s very quiet (no fan). I haven’t actually tried any of the recording sites yet, partly because my little standalone seems to be working (and I cannot tell you how much I appreciate all the effort you put in on my little clips). I don’t know that I will for the reasons you mention - sound is a freaking lot of data going back and forth.

Thanks again.

SetRMS is something of a gift. We never had a way to set RMS (Loudness) intentionally. We always had to use the other tools and pray everything worked out. In some instances now, SetRMS and Limiter are all you need. They are effectively invisible and I can’t imagine ACX flagging the work (they hate processing). If you have a very quiet environment, you’re done. Submit and go make coffee.

The only reason I found any sound problem at all is I was looking for it, and I was doing it on a large sound system. It’s totally possible you naturally sound like that. Yes, you should make sure you record in WAV each time.

I don’t know that I will for the reasons you mention - sound is a freaking lot of data going back and forth.

Do they expect you to announce on the computer and record on a server somewhere on earth? I can’t imagine that would be workable given even Skype sometimes has troubles maintaining good voice quality. That and most people’s data connection is asymmetrical. My UP connection at the house sucks compared to the DOWN connection and that has caused Chat problems.

Koz

One other note. Recording volume and Submitting volume are different. Submitting volume is very tightly controlled so as to make each chapter sound the same and more or less match all the other audiobooks. Recording volume has to be as loud as convenient with no chance at all of peak damage or overload. Recording volume is always lower than Submission volume.

That’s why I said write down how you did the second clip.

Koz

One other note. Recording volume and Submitting volume are different. Submitting volume is very tightly controlled so as to make each chapter sound the same and more or less match all the other audiobooks. Recording volume has to be as loud as convenient with no chance at all of peak damage or overload. Recording volume is always lower than Submission volume.

That’s why I said write down how you did the second clip.

I did write down everything, partly because I’d been messing around with it to see how closely I could get to ACX pass without doing anything - yes, I have been reading the forum and knew about overprocessing. My next few experiments will be geared toward mic placement and re-configuring my recording space a little.

Oh, and thanks for the kind words re my voice. Like many on this forum, this is a massively huge learning curve for me, and all the stopping and starting to get everything absolutely perfect is really weird. I’m used to live performance, where you just keep going, no matter what. So hearing that that part, at least, is working, is majorly helpful. Thanks.

And that tiny whine may actually have been the tablet I was reading from. It was sitting right next to the recorder on the music stand. Oops.

Any new clips/questions will be in a new thread.

I’m used to live performance

AHA!! I thought that was too good for a fresh newbie. You’re adapting existing work and performances to recording.

Koz