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Re: What do you call this sound? Is it possible to fix it?

Permanent link to this post Posted by Gale Andrews » Fri Apr 21, 2017 11:21 am

oda1honda wrote:(I'm pretty sure "Idiot" isn't a er bad language right?)

You're right, as long as you only call yourself that. ;)

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Re: What do you call this sound? Is it possible to fix it?

Permanent link to this post Posted by Gale Andrews » Fri Apr 21, 2017 11:35 am

About your video, De-click is designed for mouth noises like an accidental smack of the lips when speaking. It does not have very good instructions because it is still "experimental".

You have to use EZPatch according to the instructions.

Your audio does not look as if it is clipped (flat-topped waves) so Clip Fix won't help. Nor will PopMute (no audio is standing much higher than the surrounding audio).

Can you attach a WAV of that selection you show in your video, with a few seconds either side of it? Is that click typical of what you are trying to remove?

As Trebor said it is often easier to switch to Spectrogram view to see the click you are trying to remove. The click may shows as a different colour, probably red white or magenta which tells you it has more energy than the surrounding audio.

Sometimes you can simply delete the click once you find it, if it is short enough.



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Re: What do you call this sound? Is it possible to fix it?

Permanent link to this post Posted by oda1honda » Fri Apr 21, 2017 2:44 pm

Sorry, I didn't know that the thread have gone to the 2nd page lol. A noob at his very finest.

Now I'm not sure what you mean by "with a few seconds either side of it" but I am assuming you must have heard the click / glitch when the music get cut offed. That one I think it's because the music just cuts off suddenly and that's why it happens. Because when I listen / play the OST normally, The sound doesn't exist. (I hope that actually answers the "Typical click of what I am trying to remove part.)

Either way, I am not sure what you mean by that so I'm just gonna pop the entire thing I selected from the video. The click / glitch I been trying to fix for days is pretty much can be heard right after you open the file.

Gale WAV.wav
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As for the Spectrogram well. . . this.

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And the thing is and I'm pretty sure you and all the other experts have noticed, I have COMPLETELY NO IDEA on audio "language" like er flat-topped waves and well, All kinds of other things. I mean, I tried to read the instructions of the EZ-Patch and. . .I can barely understand lol. Suddenly after applying the patch it just duplicate the part somehow I don't know. Completely clueless lol.

Simply put, I have completely no idea on how to use the EZ-Patch. Which is great. Even though instructions are there. Awesome. (Is Sarcasm welcome here? Or Sass? I don't know.) Man. I am going way deeper into this than I initially thought.
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Re: What do you call this sound? Is it possible to fix it?

Permanent link to this post Posted by oda1honda » Sat Apr 22, 2017 1:31 pm

After giving a lot of thought on whether to give up this "Project" of mine or not, I decided to give it another shot to attempt to fix this unfixable (If "Unfixable is a word and for me, I tried everything I know up to this point. I mean, I am a noob.) thing. I knew about the delete method long time ago but I don't want to delete any part of the OST even if it's a small little nano second portion as it might affect the OST in any negative manner. (Let's be real, Experts like you guys can tell instantly that something is wrong.) So I decided to put it as a last resort. Turns out that the Last Resort might be the solution since I cannot fix this with my current skills / knowledge. At least, That's what I decided to do on another OST.

But there's this sound now. Pretty sure it's not a click or a glitch but something else instead. News to me.

So the sound in question is this:
Another Weird One.wav
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In case you need the Spectrogram: (If experts even need the info since you guys can see it yourself.)
Another Weird One Spectrogram.png
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And I heard another sound that is also news to me. i thought it would be simpler to just again, Show it in the video. So here it is.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kMlwnyicA74

In case you might want the WAV file:
Yet Another Weird One.wav
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If I am double posting (If I am), Sorry.
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Re: What do you call this sound? Is it possible to fix it?

Permanent link to this post Posted by Gale Andrews » Sat Apr 22, 2017 2:37 pm

oda1honda wrote:So the sound in question is this: Another Weird One.wav

What do you object to in that, at what point on the Timeline exactly? You can see lots of spikes at Analyze > Plot Spectrum... but are they relevant to whatever you think is wrong with it? I listened in HiFi Speakers but I am over 60 now so my hearing is not as good as it once was.

oda1honda wrote:Yet Another Weird One.wav

That sounds muddy and distorted to me but it would have been easier to tell if you had included the audio before and after that section.

There is a "lump" centred at 80 Hz and spikes at just over 1000 Hz, 2000 Hz and 3000 Hz which are easiest seen at Analyze > Plot Spectrum... . You could try Effect > Notch Filter... on each spike (perhaps increase Q to 4.0 or so) and Effect > Equalization... to smooth out the lump. I would try Equalization first on the "lump".

Whether that makes any difference to the sound, only you can tell.

Have you considered buying the CD of the sound track?


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Re: What do you call this sound? Is it possible to fix it?

Permanent link to this post Posted by oda1honda » Sun Apr 23, 2017 2:38 am

First of all, Over 60? Wow. I mean no disrespect but WOW. That's way beyond expert all right. That's amazing. Ok back to issues in questions.

As for the methods / solutions that you have told me to test well, Again, Due to my incompetence, I fail to understand what is what and that results in me not able to use the tools correctly (Or basically, I just don't know what is this and what this does and so on. Although I bet Equalization is like Equalizer on Foobar2000 and other similar programs.) Needless to say that I have no idea how to even use Notch Filter and Equalization.

Anyway, I hope this time the length is more ok for you.

Ruler Of Time (1.06 In Question).wav
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The sound appears at 1.06.517 to 1.06.539. At least, The sound is gone when I tried to delete this part out.

Then there's the "Another Weird One" sound. I decided to amplify it to make it louder so that you can also hear it more clearly and yeah, That's basically the idea.

Another Weird One Amped.wav
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As for the buying CD part well, You know. The usual RL issues and what not. Annoying. And since I'm a idiot, I don't know how to do this or that in RL as well so yeah. There's that. But yeah, I did thought about it.
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Re: What do you call this sound? Is it possible to fix it?

Permanent link to this post Posted by Gale Andrews » Sun Apr 23, 2017 3:58 pm

To learn how to use Notch Filter and Equalization, see the Manual:
http://manual.audacityteam.org/man/notch_filter.html

http://manual.audacityteam.org/man/equalization.html.

The best way to learn is to try. ;) Preview the results at different settings. Look in Plot Spectrum or Spectrogram to see how different settings change the frequency distribution.

Ruler Of Time (1.06 In Question).wav: I only hear the slightest hint of a click, masked by "fizzy" sound. For such a short length, you can use Repair or Delete. If you are editing a video and going to add the modified audio back to the video, then of course you can't delete. Repair removed the hint of a click that I heard.

Another Weird One Amped.wav: If you mean the slightly fizzy distortion at about 0.7s, it looks like there are lots of overtones in the spectrum and I would guess it is part of the recording - it just sounds like that. If this was a file from YouTube, it will be a lossy encoding of the original CD, which could add phasiness, fizziness and all kinds of distortion. If you use the menu by the Track name, choose "Split Stereo Track" then Solo the right channel to listen to that channel only, do you agree that sounds cleaner? If so, that points to using the right channel content in the left channel. You could do that with Steve's Channel Mixer: http://wiki.audacityteam.org/wiki/Nyquist_Effect_Plug-ins#Channel_Mixer.

As well as being past my aural prime, I am not an audio engineer. I will now leave this topic to those who are in-prime, audio engineers. ;)


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Re: What do you call this sound? Is it possible to fix it?

Permanent link to this post Posted by oda1honda » Mon Apr 24, 2017 2:37 am

Aka Testing I guess. Hm. Thank you for all your invaluable input and help. I appreciate it.
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Re: What do you call this sound? Is it possible to fix it?

Permanent link to this post Posted by oda1honda » Thu Apr 27, 2017 2:12 pm

Right so er, this sound. Well, It makes a I don't know what to call it. Static-like sound? I might as well you know, pop a WAV file as usual. Easier.

So here's the file in question:
Static Or Something else.wav
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I heard 2 of this "new" sound for this file so yeah.

In case you guys also want the Spectrogram as well.
Spectrogram New Sound.png
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By the way, whenever I use the EZ-Patch. It just kind of duplicate either the First or Second Half waveform and then replace the original said half with the duplicated waveform (Does this make sense?), Is that how the plugin works?
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Re: What do you call this sound? Is it possible to fix it?

Permanent link to this post Posted by steve » Thu Apr 27, 2017 2:59 pm

oda1honda wrote:Well, It makes a I don't know what to call it. Static-like sound?

Sorry, I don't know what you mean. I don't know that piece of music, and I don't notice anything obviously "wrong" with it.
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