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Re: Audacity can't see data folder

Permanent link to this post Posted by billw58 » Fri Jul 14, 2017 4:45 pm

I misunderstood. You said:
Gale Andrews wrote:You should never copy the AUP file and _data folder into the same folder. This will destroy your project after you open the copy a couple of times.


I think what you meant was:
You should never copy the AUP file and _data folder into the same folder as the original project. This will destroy your project after you open the copy a couple of times.

That makes perfect sense.

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Re: Audacity can't see data folder

Permanent link to this post Posted by Gale Andrews » Sat Jul 15, 2017 11:45 am

billw58 wrote:I misunderstood. You said:
Gale Andrews wrote:You should never copy the AUP file and _data folder into the same folder. This will destroy your project after you open the copy a couple of times.


I think what you meant was:
You should never copy the AUP file and _data folder into the same folder as the original project. This will destroy your project after you open the copy a couple of times.

That makes perfect sense.

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Do you agree the Manual is clear, Bill? I am not seeing the difference in your interpretation. Copy your project from its special starting folder into your master projects folder, then select and copy and paste that AUP file and _data folder in the master folder using Explorer. You have exactly the same problem and people do that sort of thing as a "backup".

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Re: Audacity can't see data folder

Permanent link to this post Posted by steve » Sat Jul 15, 2017 1:29 pm

Gale Andrews wrote:Copy your project from its special starting folder into your master projects folder, then select and copy and paste that AUP file and _data folder in the master folder using Explorer. You have exactly the same problem

Please say that again with example file paths. The way that reads sounds just like the "OK" example that I gave,
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Re: Audacity can't see data folder

Permanent link to this post Posted by Gale Andrews » Sat Jul 15, 2017 1:42 pm

steve wrote:
Gale Andrews wrote:Copy your project from its special starting folder into your master projects folder, then select and copy and paste that AUP file and _data folder in the master folder using Explorer. You have exactly the same problem

Please say that again with example file paths. The way that reads sounds just like the "OK" example that I gave,

Please read the Manual.

Your premaster folder is C:\Premasters. You have saved Premaster.AUP and Premaster_data in there. You are happy so you copy C:\Premasters\Premaster.AUP and C:\Premasters\Premaster_data into your masters folder C:\Masters.

Now in C:\Masters select Premaster.AUP and Premaster_data in Explorer. Copy. Paste into C:\Masters. I do NOT call C:\Masters the original project folder. That was C:\Premasters. The problem is copy-pasting into the SAME folder in which you made the copy action.


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Re: Audacity can't see data folder

Permanent link to this post Posted by steve » Sat Jul 15, 2017 2:27 pm

Gale Andrews wrote:Now in C:\Masters select Premaster.AUP and Premaster_data in Explorer. Copy. Paste into C:\Masters.

I presume that you then have something like:
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C:\Masters\Premaster.AUP
C:\Masters\Premaster_data
C:\Masters\Premaster (copy).AUP
C:\Masters\Premaster_data (copy)

where the "(copy)" version is a broken project. Is that the problem that you are describing?
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Re: Audacity can't see data folder

Permanent link to this post Posted by billw58 » Sun Jul 16, 2017 3:16 pm

steve wrote:
Gale Andrews wrote:Now in C:\Masters select Premaster.AUP and Premaster_data in Explorer. Copy. Paste into C:\Masters.

I presume that you then have something like:
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C:\Masters\Premaster.AUP
C:\Masters\Premaster_data
C:\Masters\Premaster (copy).AUP
C:\Masters\Premaster_data (copy)

where the "(copy)" version is a broken project. Is that the problem that you are describing?


Actually, you can open the "(copy)" AUP project file and work on it. But it is referencing the non-copy data folder. So you could make some edits, close it then open the non-copy AUP file. Now you have problems (missing or extra blockfiles).

But I can't see how, after making copies as you've described, you could destroy the non-copy AUP file if you never open the "(copy)" AUP file. Of course you will destroy the "(copy)" project, so doing this as a backup is pointless.

My use of the word phrase "original folder" was meant to imply "don't make a copy of a project in the same folder". So, Gale, you're right - you're original statement was correct. But my first reading of it was copying a project from one folder to another, in that case "same" meant that the AUP and _data folder went into the "same" folder (not necessarily the folder they came from). Ah, the vagaries and ambiguities of the English language. :D

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Re: Audacity can't see data folder

Permanent link to this post Posted by kozikowski » Sun Jul 16, 2017 3:43 pm

My use of the word phrase "original folder" was meant to imply "don't make a copy of a project in the same folder". So, Gale, you're right - you're original statement was correct. But my first reading of it was copying a project from one folder to another, in that case "same" meant that the AUP and _data folder went into the "same" folder (not necessarily the folder they came from).

Seems simple enough.

We used to have a saying that if you can't write clear instructions for what you're doing, you might be doing it wrong. Come oooooooon untary file system.

I can think of one problem with abandoning the split file system. The doyens of the system will no longer wear the robes, crest and fuzzy slippers. No more audiences with the wizards. All gone. Or I guess "redundant" is the phrase.

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Re: Audacity can't see data folder

Permanent link to this post Posted by kozikowski » Sun Jul 16, 2017 9:14 pm

Whatever the developers do I'm not giving up the fuzzy slippers. You know how brutal the winters can be here.

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Re: Audacity can't see data folder

Permanent link to this post Posted by punkin » Thu Jul 27, 2017 9:07 pm

Gale Andrews wrote:Much safer to avoid "Dropbox", in my opinion.

As you can see, your _data folder is not named the same as the AUP file. If your AUP file is "foo_raw.aup" then your _data folder should be "foo_raw_data".

You should never copy the AUP file and _data folder into the same folder. This will destroy your project after you open the copy a couple of times.

If you have any more concerns please attach the AUP file itself.


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I'm backing up to Gale's original response. Most everything beyond that, frankly, went well over my head.

I should clarify that I'm the kind of user who opens Terminal maybe four times a year, and only with very specific instructions as to what I should cut and paste into it. If it's not on the front end, I probably haven't seen it and have a low chance of understanding it.

All of that said: Gale, here's a new pic with less of the title blurred. Are you saying it's the word "copy" at the end of _data that's screwing it up? If so, would simply renaming the folder solve the problem?

And what's the incompatibility with Dropbox? I'm not the only one working on the files, so this matters.

Thanks. This time I'll remember to tick "Notify me" so I'll know the conversation is happening. ;)
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Re: Audacity can't see data folder

Permanent link to this post Posted by kozikowski » Thu Jul 27, 2017 11:01 pm

Most everything beyond that, frankly, went well over my head.

Isn't that just the most fun you've had all day? And these are critical user files.

If you open the AUP file in a text editor (do not save anything), the original project (show) name is burned into it.

Example:

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See up near the top there where it says: projname=" ? It doesn't matter what you remember, Audacity thinks the show name is whatever is printed there. In my case, I called my presentation MyMusic.

It's not a complete mish-mash. The top third of that is introduction, header and general information, the middle third is stuff that affects "Left" and the bottom third is stuff that affects "Right" in a stereo show.

When you develop and program this stuff, you have to follow some logic, layout and rhythm, or nobody will ever be able to fix it later.

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