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Saved AUP is Blank when Opened

Permanent link to this post Posted by SMcClintock » Sun May 14, 2017 8:23 pm

I'm an experienced Audacity user. LOVE the program, and have used it for years.

Usually I import my file, edit as needed, and export the file without a need to save AUPs.

Recently, I started saving projects. I've done about 20-25 so far. I was saving them to the default directory, which was Win user specific. I moved the saving location to Public Music.

The last few new projects "disappear." I open the AUP, and it shows only a blue line.

As I make the project (a recording) I see the entire wave form before saving, I listen to it being made. I sample it after recording. I watch it save. When I open the file, nothing is there. At the directory level, I see the AUP file, and the AUP directory for the project. Inside, I see the sub-directories. Note: the save location is not the software's default location.

If I have made an export, I can import it and save again. If I have not made an export...is everything gone? How do I see the waveform?

"Show Log" is below.

Win 10, Aud 2.1.2
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Log.txt:
13:12:36: Audacity 2.1.2
13:12:36: Trying to load FFmpeg libraries...
13:12:36: Trying to load FFmpeg libraries from system paths. File name is 'avformat-55.dll'.
13:12:36: Looking up PATH environment variable...
13:12:36: PATH = 'C:\Program Files (x86)\Intel\iCLS Client\;C:\Program Files\Intel\iCLS Client\;C:\Windows\system32;C:\Windows;C:\Windows\System32\Wbem;C:\Windows\System32\WindowsPowerShell\v1.0\;C:\Program Files (x86)\NVIDIA Corporation\PhysX\Common;C:\Program Files (x86)\Intel\Intel(R) Management Engine Components\DAL;C:\Program Files\Intel\Intel(R) Management Engine Components\DAL;C:\Program Files (x86)\Intel\Intel(R) Management Engine Components\IPT;C:\Program Files\Intel\Intel(R) Management Engine Components\IPT;C:\WINDOWS\system32;C:\WINDOWS;C:\WINDOWS\System32\Wbem;C:\WINDOWS\System32\WindowsPowerShell\v1.0\;C:\Program Files (x86)\Microsoft SQL Server\90\Tools\binn\;C:\Program Files\Intel\WiFi\bin\;C:\Program Files\Common Files\Intel\WirelessCommon\;C:\Users\Tom\AppData\Local\Microsoft\WindowsApps;'
13:12:36: Checking that '' is in PATH...
13:12:36: FFmpeg directory is in PATH.
13:12:36: Checking for monolithic avformat from 'avformat-55.dll'.
13:12:36: Error: Failed to load shared library 'avformat-55.dll' (error 126: the specified module could not be found.)
13:12:36: Loading avutil from ''.
13:12:36: Error: Failed to load shared library '.dll' (error 126: the specified module could not be found.)
13:12:36: Loading avcodec from ''.
13:12:36: Error: Failed to load shared library '.dll' (error 126: the specified module could not be found.)
13:12:36: Loading avformat from 'avformat-55.dll'.
13:12:36: Error: Failed to load shared library 'avformat-55.dll' (error 126: the specified module could not be found.)
13:12:36: Error: Failed to load FFmpeg libraries.
13:12:36: Error: Failed to find compatible FFmpeg libraries.
13:13:01: Error: can't open file 'C:\Users\Public\Music\Audacity Projects\20170429 Tracks #58 hr 1 & 2 _data\e00\d0a\e000ad1c.au' (error 5: access is denied.)
13:13:01: Error: can't open file 'C:\Users\Public\Music\Audacity Projects\20170429 Tracks #58 hr 1 & 2 _data\e00\d0a\e000a9b8.au' (error 5: access is denied.)
13:13:01: Error: can't open file 'C:\Users\Public\Music\Audacity Projects\20170429 Tracks #58 hr 1 & 2 _data\e00\d0a\e000a167.au' (error 5: access is denied.)
13:13:01: Error: can't open file 'C:\Users\Public\Music\Audacity Projects\20170429 Tracks #58 hr 1 & 2 _data\e00\d0a\e000afb3.au' (error 5: access is denied.)
13:13:40: Error: Directory 'C:\Users\Public\Music\Audacity Projects\20170429 Tracks #58 hr 1 & 2 _data\e00\d00' couldn't be deleted (error 145: the directory is not empty.)
13:13:40: Error: Directory 'C:\Users\Public\Music\Audacity Projects\20170429 Tracks #58 hr 1 & 2 _data\e00\d01' couldn't be deleted (error 145: the directory is not empty.)
13:13:40: Error: Directory 'C:\Users\Public\Music\Audacity Projects\20170429 Tracks #58 hr 1 & 2 _data\e00\d02' couldn't be deleted (error 145: the directory is not empty.)
13:13:40: Error: Directory 'C:\Users\Public\Music\Audacity Projects\20170429 Tracks #58 hr 1 & 2 _data\e00\d03' couldn't be deleted (error 145: the directory is not empty.)
13:13:40: Error: Directory 'C:\Users\Public\Music\Audacity Projects\20170429 Tracks #58 hr 1 & 2 _data\e00\d04' couldn't be deleted (error 145: the directory is not empty.)
13:13:40: Error: Directory 'C:\Users\Public\Music\Audacity Projects\20170429 Tracks #58 hr 1 & 2 _data\e00\d05' couldn't be deleted (error 145: the directory is not empty.)
13:13:40: Error: Directory 'C:\Users\Public\Music\Audacity Projects\20170429 Tracks #58 hr 1 & 2 _data\e00\d06' couldn't be deleted (error 145: the directory is not empty.)
13:13:40: Error: Directory 'C:\Users\Public\Music\Audacity Projects\20170429 Tracks #58 hr 1 & 2 _data\e00\d07' couldn't be deleted (error 145: the directory is not empty.)
13:13:40: Error: Directory 'C:\Users\Public\Music\Audacity Projects\20170429 Tracks #58 hr 1 & 2 _data\e00\d08' couldn't be deleted (error 145: the directory is not empty.)
13:13:40: Error: Directory 'C:\Users\Public\Music\Audacity Projects\20170429 Tracks #58 hr 1 & 2 _data\e00\d09' couldn't be deleted (error 145: the directory is not empty.)
13:13:40: Error: Directory 'C:\Users\Public\Music\Audacity Projects\20170429 Tracks #58 hr 1 & 2 _data\e00\d0a' couldn't be deleted (error 145: the directory is not empty.)
13:13:40: Error: Directory 'C:\Users\Public\Music\Audacity Projects\20170429 Tracks #58 hr 1 & 2 _data\e00' couldn't be deleted (error 145: the directory is not empty.)
13:13:52: Error: can't open file 'C:\Users\Public\Music\Audacity Projects\20170513 Tracks hr 1& 2_data\e00\d00\e0000c79.au' (error 5: access is denied.)
13:13:52: Error: can't open file 'C:\Users\Public\Music\Audacity Projects\20170513 Tracks hr 1& 2_data\e00\d00\e0000ff2.au' (error 5: access is denied.)
13:13:52: Error: can't open file 'C:\Users\Public\Music\Audacity Projects\20170513 Tracks hr 1& 2_data\e00\d00\e0000d7f.au' (error 5: access is denied.)
13:13:52: Error: can't open file 'C:\Users\Public\Music\Audacity Projects\20170513 Tracks hr 1& 2_data\e00\d00\e0000ffe.au' (error 5: access is denied.)
13:14:36: Error: Directory 'C:\Users\Public\Music\Audacity Projects\20170513 Tracks hr 1& 2_data\e00\d00' couldn't be deleted (error 145: the directory is not empty.)
13:14:36: Error: Directory 'C:\Users\Public\Music\Audacity Projects\20170513 Tracks hr 1& 2_data\e00\d01' couldn't be deleted (error 145: the directory is not empty.)
13:14:36: Error: Directory 'C:\Users\Public\Music\Audacity Projects\20170513 Tracks hr 1& 2_data\e00\d02' couldn't be deleted (error 145: the directory is not empty.)
13:14:36: Error: Directory 'C:\Users\Public\Music\Audacity Projects\20170513 Tracks hr 1& 2_data\e00\d03' couldn't be deleted (error 145: the directory is not empty.)
13:14:36: Error: Directory 'C:\Users\Public\Music\Audacity Projects\20170513 Tracks hr 1& 2_data\e00\d04' couldn't be deleted (error 145: the directory is not empty.)
13:14:36: Error: Directory 'C:\Users\Public\Music\Audacity Projects\20170513 Tracks hr 1& 2_data\e00\d05' couldn't be deleted (error 145: the directory is not empty.)
13:14:36: Error: Directory 'C:\Users\Public\Music\Audacity Projects\20170513 Tracks hr 1& 2_data\e00\d06' couldn't be deleted (error 145: the directory is not empty.)
13:14:36: Error: Directory 'C:\Users\Public\Music\Audacity Projects\20170513 Tracks hr 1& 2_data\e00\d07' couldn't be deleted (error 145: the directory is not empty.)
13:14:36: Error: Directory 'C:\Users\Public\Music\Audacity Projects\20170513 Tracks hr 1& 2_data\e00\d08' couldn't be deleted (error 145: the directory is not empty.)
13:14:36: Error: Directory 'C:\Users\Public\Music\Audacity Projects\20170513 Tracks hr 1& 2_data\e00\d09' couldn't be deleted (error 145: the directory is not empty.)
13:14:36: Error: Directory 'C:\Users\Public\Music\Audacity Projects\20170513 Tracks hr 1& 2_data\e00\d0a' couldn't be deleted (error 145: the directory is not empty.)
13:14:36: Error: Directory 'C:\Users\Public\Music\Audacity Projects\20170513 Tracks hr 1& 2_data\e00' couldn't be deleted (error 145: the directory is not empty.)
Last edited by kozikowski on Sun May 14, 2017 9:04 pm, edited 1 time in total.
Reason: edited for readability
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Re: Saved AUP is Blank when Opened

Permanent link to this post Posted by kozikowski » Sun May 14, 2017 11:45 pm

Recently, I started saving projects.

Exclusively?
I moved the saving location to Public Music.

Is that still on your machine? Is it a shared drive or directory?

Your show looks like this, right?

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Open the AUP file in a text editor (don't save anything). Is it blank?

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Re: Saved AUP is Blank when Opened

Permanent link to this post Posted by kozikowski » Sun May 14, 2017 11:46 pm

One more. Is the show length correct? You recorded 43 minutes and the flat blue line is 43 minutes long?

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Re: Saved AUP is Blank when Opened

Permanent link to this post Posted by SMcClintock » Mon May 15, 2017 2:52 am

kozikowski wrote:
Recently, I started saving projects.

Exclusively?

Usually, I export to WAV or MP3. Yesterday I did not.

kozikowski wrote:
I moved the saving location to Public Music.

Is that still on your machine? Is it a shared drive or directory?

"Audacity Projects" is on the hard drive. It is a subdirectory of Public Music, as the log indicates.
'C:\Users\Public\Music\Audacity Projects\20170429...."

kozikowski wrote:Your show looks like this, right?

If I was using tiles, it would look like that. :D

kozikowski wrote:Open the AUP file in a text editor (don't save anything). Is it blank?

Yes, as the subject and post indicate.

kozikowski wrote:One more. Is the show length correct? You recorded 43 minutes and the flat blue line is 43 minutes long?

Where are you getting 43 minutes?

The log in the OP shows two different files being opened:
"20170429 #58...." is 1.57.15.240 (almost 2 hours), and all of it shows as a flat blue line.
"20170513...." is 1.58.08.190 (almost 2 hours), and all of it shows as a flat blue line.

The log shows there are files there. I do not know why they are not connecting. I saved the project and closed Audacity after it was done. I have not renamed or moved the files since they were created.

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Re: Saved AUP is Blank when Opened

Permanent link to this post Posted by SMcClintock » Mon May 15, 2017 4:31 am

I opened the *.aup file in notepad, as directed.

It has all the details in it, the associated file names.

Is there something you are looking for?
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Re: Saved AUP is Blank when Opened

Permanent link to this post Posted by steve » Mon May 15, 2017 8:35 am

SMcClintock wrote:
kozikowski wrote:Open the AUP file in a text editor (don't save anything). Is it blank?

Yes, as the subject and post indicate.

SMcClintock wrote:I opened the *.aup file in notepad, as directed.

It has all the details in it, the associated file names.


Which of the above? :?
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Re: Saved AUP is Blank when Opened

Permanent link to this post Posted by kozikowski » Mon May 15, 2017 11:01 am

Saved AUP is Blank when Opened

Most people posting say that when they mean "in Audacity," not in a text editor.
The show time and graphic are illustrations/examples only and don't reflect your actual times and filenames. Many posters in trouble think the AUP file is the whole world and have no idea that Audacity uses a file system and not just a single file. Another common problem is AUP files and _DATA folders whose names don't match or are not in close proximity to each other. The AUP file will not go searching for the _DATA folder even if it has the right name.
20170429 Tracks #58 hr 1 & 2

Is that a common show name for you? Win10 may have changed the character acceptance, but historically it could create problems if you put characters such as & and # in a filename.

Audacity uses the AUP file to reconstruct the show from the contents of the _DATA folder. With no or blank AUP file, sometimes we can reconstruct a simple, raw mono recording with just the _DATA folder, but if you have an edited show, either mono or stereo, I think that's the end of the world.

The log seems to think Windows had a terrible time reaching and managing the directory. "Can't Open.." "Can't Delete.." Is there a permissions issue or security difference between that directory and the one you normally use?

Projects are the easiest way to save multi-track, highly processed shows, but you are warned Audacity Projects do not save UNDO. It may look complete when you open one (normally), but you can't back up.
Recently, I started saving projects.

You never said why you did that.

It is recommended to export WAV sound files of critical work.

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Re: Saved AUP is Blank when Opened

Permanent link to this post Posted by SMcClintock » Mon May 15, 2017 2:16 pm

steve wrote:Which of the above? :?


Apologies for the confusion, Steve.

When opened in Notepad, it shows all the details.

Here's a sample:

<?xml version="1.0" standalone="no" ?>
<!DOCTYPE project PUBLIC "-//audacityproject-1.3.0//DTD//EN" "http://audacity.sourceforge.net/xml/audacityproject-1.3.0.dtd" >
<project xmlns="http://audacity.sourceforge.net/xml/" projname="20170429 Tracks #58 hr 1 &amp; 2 _data" version="1.3.0" audacityversion="2.1.2" sel0="0.0000000000" sel1="0.0000000000" vpos="0" h="0.0000000000" zoom="172.2656250000" rate="48000.0" snapto="off" selectionformat="hh:mm:ss + milliseconds" frequencyformat="Hz" bandwidthformat="octaves">

<wavetrack name="Audio Track" channel="0" linked="1" mute="0" solo="0" height="150" minimized="0" isSelected="1" rate="48000" gain="1.0" pan="0.0">
<waveclip offset="0.00000000">
<sequence maxsamples="262144" sampleformat="262159" numsamples="337691516">
<waveblock start="0">
<simpleblockfile filename="e000ad1c.au" len="192958" min="-0.985047" max="0.985046" rms="0.234469"/>
</waveblock>
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Re: Saved AUP is Blank when Opened

Permanent link to this post Posted by Gale Andrews » Mon May 15, 2017 2:28 pm

By the way, someone trimmed the log, so it only shows opening one project.

As I said on [email protected] don't save projects to network locations unless you are prepared to deal with permissions and congestion issues.


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Re: Saved AUP is Blank when Opened

Permanent link to this post Posted by SMcClintock » Mon May 15, 2017 2:49 pm

Hi Koz,
kozikowski wrote:
Saved AUP is Blank when Opened

Most people posting say that when they mean "in Audacity," not in a text editor.
The show time and graphic are illustrations/examples only and don't reflect your actual times and filenames. Many posters in trouble think the AUP file is the whole world and have no idea that Audacity uses a file system and not just a single file. Another common problem is AUP files and _DATA folders whose names don't match or are not in close proximity to each other. The AUP file will not go searching for the _DATA folder even if it has the right name.

Above, where I said "opened" I meant within Audacity. Instead of seeing a waveform, I see a flat blue line for the entire project.
The first time I saved a project, I saw it created a source file and a directory of the same name (albeit a different ending), the directory holding many subdirectories that contained all the data of the AUP. Too many years programming to even consider separating them!

kozikowski wrote:
20170429 Tracks #58 hr 1 & 2

Is that a common show name for you? Win10 may have changed the character acceptance, but historically it could create problems if you put characters such as & and # in a filename.

Good to know.
More sadness about Win10.
Once I selected the AUP file & DATA directory, and changed the name, for several pairs. When I opened the AUP file (by double clicking it), I saw all manner of craziness, like orphaned file warnings, and missing segments in the waveform. I undid my changes (Cntl Z at directory level) and everything returned to normal.

kozikowski wrote:Audacity uses the AUP file to reconstruct the show from the contents of the _DATA folder. With no or blank AUP file, sometimes we can reconstruct a simple, raw mono recording with just the _DATA folder, but if you have an edited show, either mono or stereo, I think that's the end of the world.

No editing in either show.
When I have an edit, I use different Audacity windows for the parts, then cut and paste to make the splice. If I have to save the parts as AUP to edit later, I do. Then I save the completed project with a new name.

kozikowski wrote:The log seems to think Windows had a terrible time reaching and managing the directory. "Can't Open.." "Can't Delete.." Is there a permissions issue or security difference between that directory and the one you normally use?

Yes, I saw that and don't know where to look for the fix. I also don't know if that is problem.
The files are in PUBLIC and every user can access it (which means "me" regardless of whose logon is up). The default directory was in Roaming for the user, and that was too confining if I was in a different user's logon. Hense...moved to Public Music.

kozikowski wrote:
Recently, I started saving projects.

You never said why you did that.
It is recommended to export WAV sound files of critical work.

Audacity prompts AUP for save. Export is several lines lower. Therefore I thought AUP would be better. This machine has a massive HD, and I figured "why not" have the AUP.
Saturday is the first time I did not do an export (which I considered the backup) of the project before I closed the software.

Lesson learned.
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