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Re: Trying to get in touch with Edgar

Permanent link to this post Posted by Edgar » Sun Nov 19, 2017 6:18 pm

Aurah2 wrote:I use audacity 2.1.3. I’m working on a laptop […] My need is professional

Your computer's specs are adequate for casual use and for proof-of-concept for professional use but if you hope to spend that kind of time each day doing vocally controlled audio editing you will probably need more ergonomic hardware (a desktop computer with faster CPU, more cores, a large monitor or two and wireless trackball). You'll probably also need to have your operating system "pruned" to eliminate all of the extraneous/unnecessary stuff that Windows (especially 10) insists on forcing on you. Neither Dragon nor Audacity are entirely happy with Windows 10 so you might even consider reverting to Windows 7 - but not on your laptop. I strongly recommend getting a wireless trackball to attach to your laptop:
Logitech Wireless Trackball M570 $26
Kensington Expert Wireless Trackball Mouse (K72359WW) $79 this one takes some getting use to but it's large (pool cue ball) trackball makes it especially useful for fine control situations.
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Re: Trying to get in touch with Edgar

Permanent link to this post Posted by Aurah2 » Fri Nov 24, 2017 4:28 pm

Thank you so much! You’ve given me so much hope already. Sorry for my delayed response – I'm traveling for Thanksgiving.

I will download AutoIt3 and ask my doctor for a letter for Knowbrainer.

I do use Audacity maximized to my full screen (except for the computer’s taskbar). Happy to send a screen grab if that’s helpful.

Here is the list I made of the audacity commands that seem most urgent to program into Dragon. I would ideally like to use Dragon to control ALL of the audacity keyboard shortcuts and probably more commands I’m not even thinking of yet. It’s hard to know what I will need because I’ve had so little functionality in audacity up to this point. So it would be helpful to import all of your commands into my Dragon. With that said, I’m not sure this list will be helpful, but here’s my list of the commands that seem like they will be most important:

Go to (a specific point in the audio. For example, 28.17.000)
Select (a specific point in the audio through another specific point in the audio. For example, select 28.17.345 through 32.18.232)
drag selection to the left or to the right (in timeshift mode)
Play
stop and go back
stop here
set left and right boundaries
scroll left and right
left mouse click
extend selection left and right
contract selection left and right
store cursor position
select from cursor to stored cursor position
pause
record and append record
undo and redo
export and export multiple
new
open
save
copy
paste
move to the nth open audacity window
move to the nth track
cut and split cut
zoom in and zoom out
import audio
delete and split delete
select all
move cursor to track start and end
backspace
go to selection start and end
cut preview
store and retrieve region
fit in window
zoom to selection
new track
move focus to previous and next tracks
mute and unmute focus track
mute all tracks
Solo/unsolo focus track
select time shift tool, selection tool, envelope tool, and multi-tool
Split clip
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Re: Trying to get in touch with Edgar

Permanent link to this post Posted by Edgar » Fri Nov 24, 2017 7:44 pm

Aurah2 wrote:I use audacity 2.1.3

Audacity 2.2.0 is available here:
http://www.audacityteam.org/download/windows/
and a release candidate for 2.2.1 is being tested; the Release should be available soon. Either grab 2.2.0 now and/or keep your eyes on the Audacity Board's Windows Forum ( http://forum.audacityteam.org/viewforum.php?f=46 ) in the Announcements section for 2.2.1's availability (I have these installed but don't use them personally). We might need some help from the forum elves in dealing with 2.2.X's keyboard shortcut details - I know things have changed (very definitely for the better) from the 2.0.x I use. I did not examine your list exhaustively but at a quick glance, I see nothing insurmountable.

Most, if not all, of your desired Audacity commands could be written for the Dragon Command engine but will work WAY better if we write them for the KnowBrainer Command engine. I strongly suggest that we wait for you to get KnowBrainer installed (you should download and install the free trial which Lunis will activate permanently when he gets your doctor's certification). If you are not already a member of the KnowBrainer Board ( http://www.knowbrainer.com/forums/forum/index.cfm?nocookies=yes ) you need to get signed up so we may meet there as well - the folks who help out are incredibly knowledgeable and helpful!

A word of warning - you do not know me and have no reason to trust me, but… You should probably get recommendations from the moderators on this board and the major posters on the KnowBrainer board so that you have at least some comfort level with me <grin>! I make my living charging people to write code. I would generally not charge someone like you for something like this - assuming that the amount of work involved was no more than a day or so (and the use was non-commercial). Your situation and needs are pushing that to the limit! Let's see how far we can get before money starts rearing its ugly head; if we got to that point we would need to take this discussion private as both this board and the KnowBrainer one restrict commercial use.

Are you comfortable importing and exporting Dragon Commands in XML format? If so export your Dragon's Audacity commands (as XML - you might need to zip it in order to…) then attach it here. That will give me somewhere to start. If you need help exporting etc. let me know.
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Re: Trying to get in touch with Edgar

Permanent link to this post Posted by Aurah2 » Sat Nov 25, 2017 11:23 pm

I installed audacity 2.2.0 and the trial version of Knowbrainer.

To recap, it sounds like the best way to use audacity with Dragon is to program audacity commands into Knowbrainer. Will we be able to import your audacity Knowbrainer commands into mine? If so, which ones will need to be modified to fit my operating system?

The only audacity commands I have programmed into Dragon (besides the ones I downloaded into my Dragon from your 2010 post) are: long jump left, copy, and stop here. I’ve attached the XML file with my current audacity commands (some of which are duplicates or do not work) in case that’s helpful.

I hear what you’re saying about the amount of time this may take. I unfortunately have limited financial resources (I’m a student), so I would love to learn as much about what you’re doing as possible so that I can help and so that I can learn to command Dragon more extensively on my own in the future. For example, I anticipate that as I use audacity more, I will think of more Dragon commands that would make audacity easier to navigate. Are there any good resources for learning basic coding for Knowbrainer?
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Re: Trying to get in touch with Edgar

Permanent link to this post Posted by Edgar » Sun Nov 26, 2017 3:11 am

OS no - screen resolution maybe. Give a screenshot of Audacity...
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Re: Trying to get in touch with Edgar

Permanent link to this post Posted by Aurah2 » Sun Nov 26, 2017 3:40 pm

Audacity full-screen screenshot.

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Re: Trying to get in touch with Edgar

Permanent link to this post Posted by Edgar » Sun Nov 26, 2017 4:49 pm

I have attached two files; the XML file should import via KnowBrainer's Import functioning; the text file will need to be placed in KnowBrainer's install directory on your C drive:
Code: Select all
"C:\Program Files (x86)\KnowBrainer\KnowBrainer Professional 2017\WindowsAPI.txt"

These commands will duplicate most, if not all, of your currently existing Audacity commands. If you have Audacity commands as Dragon commands you will need to delete them.
Here is a list of all the commands included (I removed at least one command since the last list and may have added something):
Code: Select all
Quit
Create New Track
Save Project As
Export Multiple
Insert Label
Fit In Window
End Of Track
Home
Zoom In
Play
Zoom Out
Selection Tool
Zoom Tool
Zoom Out &lt;1to20&gt;
Zoom In &lt;1to20&gt;
Get To End
&lt;DELETEorCUT&gt; To End
Analyze Silence
Open Metadata Editor
Add To End
Track Panel
Close Top Track
Append Second Track
Stop Here
Play At Speed
Export
Close Track
Preview Cut
Play Here
Insert Blank Label
Edit Metadata
Played Here At Speed
Change Playback Speed
Play From Start
Insert Label Here
Page Right
Page Left
Sync Lock Tracks
Zoom Here
Remove Trailing Label
Add Leading Label
Draw Tool
Export Selection
Select Between Labels
Insert Leading Label
Fit Vertically
Remove From Here
Remove Front
Remove Those Labels
Change Playback Speed Fast
Change Playback Speed Slow
Change Playback Speed Moderate
Play Preview &lt;1to20&gt;
Exit
Scroll Left &lt;1to100&gt;
Scroll Right &lt;1to100&gt;
Close Inspection
Remove Last Bit
Append &lt;1to20&gt; Tracks
Prepend &lt;1to10&gt; Tracks
Export Project
Export This Video
Export Overwrite
Trim Back
Export This MP4
Add New Track
Trim Front
Remove Noise
Normalize
Fix Clipping
Remove Clicks
Make Stereo Track
Split Stereo Track
Mono To Stereo
Repair Clicks
Amplify Up &lt;1to10&gt;
Remove Rumble
Amplify Everything Down &lt;1to10&gt;
Amplify Everything Up &lt;1to10&gt;
Inspect Back
Make It Fit
Inspect Front
Amplify Down One Half
Compressor
Compressor Dialog
Select All
Silence Audio
Rename Before Exporting
Amplifier Dialog
Adjustable Fade
Trim Silence
Preferences
Apply Wave Chain
Apply Wave Chain To All
Export And Close Project
Wave Export
Repair
Fade In
Edit Labels
Find Zero Crossing
Remove Track Gap
Repeat Effect
Remove Label
Make Labels
Get Another Name &lt;1to20&gt;
Analyze Tiny Silence
Display Labels
Silence Finder
Insert Final Label
Select Text
Tale
Remove DC Offset
Get Profile
Apply Noise Reduction
Create Profile
Analyze CD Track Gaps
Analyze Custom Track Gaps
Export With New Name &lt;1to20&gt;
All Done
Export These Tracks
Analyze Vinyl Track Gaps
Remove Leading Label
Find Silence
Mark Silence Dialog
Mark Silence
Trim Dialog
Trim Both
Play Here At Speed
Tail
Pro Fade Out
Export Then Exit
Jump To Here
Normalize &lt;THISorTHAT&gt;
Amplify &lt;THISorTHAT&gt;
Close &lt;THISorTHAT&gt; Project
Compress &lt;THISorTHAT&gt;
Pauls D Click &lt;THISorTHAT&gt;
Repair &lt;THISorTHAT&gt;
Silence &lt;THISorTHAT&gt;
Noise Reduction
DC Offset
D Clicker
Amplify Down &lt;1to20&gt;
Brick Wall Limiter
Pauls D Click
Insert Time &lt;dictation&gt;
Skip To Here
Generate Silence Dialog
Zoom Front
Zoom Back
Zoom Selection
Center Label
Slow Tab &lt;1to20&gt;
Press Play Button
Stop
Press &lt;Buttons&gt;
Fix Name
Change Export Location
Export Them All
Clean Silence
Trim Front
Trim Back

Some of these commands are resolution specific and I have not yet tuned them to your monitor resolution.

Many of these commands are keyboard shortcut specific - my shortcuts might not be the same as yours. If you send me your Audacity CFG (configuration) file, I might be able to spot some of the differences.

Some of these commands are specific to my custom version of Audacity; if you try to use a command and it fails for some reason let me know.

Some of these commands rely on custom effects (some of which I have written in C++ or Nyquist, others I have gotten from Stevethefiddle or other sources).

Many of these commands have "Wait…" timing statements; these may need to be adjusted - longer or shorter.

Probably the best way to figure out what a command does is to open it in the editor and try to figure out what is going on.
Attachments
Dragon Audacity commands.xml
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WindowsAPI.txt
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Re: Trying to get in touch with Edgar

Permanent link to this post Posted by Aurah2 » Mon Nov 27, 2017 1:27 am

Thanks! I'll import these commands, try them out, and get back to you in a few days.
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Re: Trying to get in touch with Edgar

Permanent link to this post Posted by Aurah2 » Sat Dec 02, 2017 2:09 am

I successfully deleted my Audacity commands in Dragon.
I placed the text file in the location you described.
However, when I tried to import the XML file into Knowbrainer, I got the following error message. I've attached a screenshot of the error window. Here are the details:


See the end of this message for details on invoking
just-in-time (JIT) debugging instead of this dialog box.

************** Exception Text **************
System.NullReferenceException: Object reference not set to an instance of an object.
at CommandAnalyser.ImportExportModule.PopulateTreeView()
at CommandAnalyser.ImportExportModule.button1_Click(Object sender, EventArgs e)
at System.Windows.Forms.Control.OnClick(EventArgs e)
at System.Windows.Forms.Button.OnClick(EventArgs e)
at System.Windows.Forms.Button.OnMouseUp(MouseEventArgs mevent)
at System.Windows.Forms.Control.WmMouseUp(Message& m, MouseButtons button, Int32 clicks)
at System.Windows.Forms.Control.WndProc(Message& m)
at System.Windows.Forms.ButtonBase.WndProc(Message& m)
at System.Windows.Forms.Button.WndProc(Message& m)
at System.Windows.Forms.Control.ControlNativeWindow.OnMessage(Message& m)
at System.Windows.Forms.Control.ControlNativeWindow.WndProc(Message& m)
Error message.PNG
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at System.Windows.Forms.NativeWindow.Callback(IntPtr hWnd, Int32 msg, IntPtr wparam, IntPtr lparam)


************** Loaded Assemblies **************
mscorlib
Assembly Version: 4.0.0.0
Win32 Version: 4.7.2115.0 built by: NET47REL1LAST
CodeBase: file:///C:/Windows/Microsoft.NET/Framework/v4.0.30319/mscorlib.dll
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CommandAnalyser
Assembly Version: 1.0.0.0
Win32 Version: 1.0.0.0
CodeBase: file:///C:/Program%20Files%20(x86)/KnowBrainer/KnowBrainer%20Professional%202017/Utilities/CommandAnalyser.exe
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System
Assembly Version: 4.0.0.0
Win32 Version: 4.7.2110.0 built by: NET47REL1LAST
CodeBase: file:///C:/WINDOWS/Microsoft.Net/assembly/GAC_MSIL/System/v4.0_4.0.0.0__b77a5c561934e089/System.dll
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System.Windows.Forms
Assembly Version: 4.0.0.0
Win32 Version: 4.7.2110.0 built by: NET47REL1LAST
CodeBase: file:///C:/WINDOWS/Microsoft.Net/assembly/GAC_MSIL/System.Windows.Forms/v4.0_4.0.0.0__b77a5c561934e089/System.Windows.Forms.dll
----------------------------------------
System.Drawing
Assembly Version: 4.0.0.0
Win32 Version: 4.7.2046.0 built by: NET47REL1
CodeBase: file:///C:/WINDOWS/Microsoft.Net/assembly/GAC_MSIL/System.Drawing/v4.0_4.0.0.0__b03f5f7f11d50a3a/System.Drawing.dll
----------------------------------------
System.Configuration
Assembly Version: 4.0.0.0
Win32 Version: 4.7.2046.0 built by: NET47REL1
CodeBase: file:///C:/WINDOWS/Microsoft.Net/assembly/GAC_MSIL/System.Configuration/v4.0_4.0.0.0__b03f5f7f11d50a3a/System.Configuration.dll
----------------------------------------
System.Core
Assembly Version: 4.0.0.0
Win32 Version: 4.7.2117.0 built by: NET47REL1LAST
CodeBase: file:///C:/WINDOWS/Microsoft.Net/assembly/GAC_MSIL/System.Core/v4.0_4.0.0.0__b77a5c561934e089/System.Core.dll
----------------------------------------
System.Xml
Assembly Version: 4.0.0.0
Win32 Version: 4.7.2102.0 built by: NET47REL1LAST
CodeBase: file:///C:/WINDOWS/Microsoft.Net/assembly/GAC_MSIL/System.Xml/v4.0_4.0.0.0__b77a5c561934e089/System.Xml.dll
----------------------------------------
PresentationCore
Assembly Version: 4.0.0.0
Win32 Version: 4.7.2117.0 built by: NET47REL1LAST
CodeBase: file:///C:/WINDOWS/Microsoft.Net/assembly/GAC_32/PresentationCore/v4.0_4.0.0.0__31bf3856ad364e35/PresentationCore.dll
----------------------------------------
WindowsBase
Assembly Version: 4.0.0.0
Win32 Version: 4.7.2117.0 built by: NET47REL1LAST
CodeBase: file:///C:/WINDOWS/Microsoft.Net/assembly/GAC_MSIL/WindowsBase/v4.0_4.0.0.0__31bf3856ad364e35/WindowsBase.dll
----------------------------------------
System.Xml.Linq
Assembly Version: 4.0.0.0
Win32 Version: 4.7.2046.0 built by: NET47REL1
CodeBase: file:///C:/WINDOWS/Microsoft.Net/assembly/GAC_MSIL/System.Xml.Linq/v4.0_4.0.0.0__b77a5c561934e089/System.Xml.Linq.dll
----------------------------------------
Accessibility
Assembly Version: 4.0.0.0
Win32 Version: 4.7.2046.0 built by: NET47REL1
CodeBase: file:///C:/WINDOWS/Microsoft.Net/assembly/GAC_MSIL/Accessibility/v4.0_4.0.0.0__b03f5f7f11d50a3a/Accessibility.dll
----------------------------------------

************** JIT Debugging **************
To enable just-in-time (JIT) debugging, the .config file for this
application or computer (machine.config) must have the
jitDebugging value set in the system.windows.forms section.
The application must also be compiled with debugging
enabled.

For example:

<configuration>
<system.windows.forms jitDebugging="true" />
</configuration>

When JIT debugging is enabled, any unhandled exception
will be sent to the JIT debugger registered on the computer
rather than be handled by this dialog box.
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Re: Trying to get in touch with Edgar

Permanent link to this post Posted by Edgar » Sat Dec 02, 2017 4:43 pm

The good news is, I am getting the same error here so I can figure it out - getting the XML code right is difficult and I have not done it for many months so I'm out of practice. The bad news is, it will be later today before I can look at it…
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