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Audacity 2.2.0 alpha April 30th - skins

Permanent link to this post Posted by Tapehead » Mon May 01, 2017 5:31 pm

Thanks! I like the options for more skins, particularly the dark.

But why hide a number of options in extra submenus? Its a lot easier to look
down one open menu.

I can see that the options to export as: mp3, wav, ogg etc would oveload the main menu, but it makes greater sense to retain "Export Audio" "Export Selected Audio" & "Multiple" on the main "File" menu.

I'll certainly use the dark skin, I think the colours are excellent (similar to ocenaudio), but I'll change over to keyboard shortcuts for the newly hidden options I use.
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Re: Audacity 2.2.0 alpha April 30th - skins

Permanent link to this post Posted by Gale Andrews » Tue May 02, 2017 4:47 pm

Thanks for testing. Don't forget that 2.2.0-alpha is not a stable release. Be sure to export your work regularly as WAV.

Tapehead wrote:But why hide a number of options in extra submenus? Its a lot easier to look down one open menu.

The developer doing most of the commits at the moment insists on short root menus. There are several items in a submenu that I have argued in vain should be in the root of the menu.

Over-aggressive shortening/grouping leads to a few weird-looking decisions, such as Pause being in both Play and Record.

Tapehead wrote:I can see that the options to export as: mp3, wav, ogg etc would oveload the main menu, but it makes greater sense to retain "Export Audio" "Export Selected Audio" & "Multiple" on the main "File" menu.

I agree, but few others on Team do. I think there will be more complaints than we expect, as well as plaudits from others (it is hard to please everyone).


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Re: Audacity 2.2.0 alpha April 30th - skins

Permanent link to this post Posted by Tapehead » Tue May 02, 2017 8:03 pm

Well, well, I just checked, I didn't realise when I posted above that the Classic skin had been butchered as well.

Big mistake, big step backwards.

Two options for each skin maybe?
Classic Root and Butchered Root. :wink:

I tried out DarkAudaciy last year and the truncated menus were a deterrent.

Maybe you could persuade the team to take a look at the crowded menus in Reaper, FLstudio etc and then then reappraise the situation.

Audacity's classic root menus are clarity and simplicity incarnate.

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Re: Audacity 2.2.0 alpha April 30th - skins

Permanent link to this post Posted by Tapehead » Tue May 02, 2017 9:35 pm

Further to the above I just got a big fright.

The setting for the solo button in 2.2.0 is for "simple", and it changed the setting I
had in my 2.1.2 Audacity (I didn't see a need to switch to 2.1.3). I didn't know this and when I opened a complex multi-track project in 2.1.2 I wondered what was going on when only one track would solo and others were muted.

I've not had this before when trying out various Audacity versions. solo has always been for multiple tracks, I've never changed the solo setting in years

Any other surprises I should watch out for in 2.2.0?
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Re: Audacity 2.2.0 alpha April 30th - skins

Permanent link to this post Posted by Gale Andrews » Wed May 03, 2017 2:41 pm

Tapehead wrote:Well, well, I just checked, I didn't realise when I posted above that the Classic skin had been butchered as well.

The menu design is not part of the Theme, but goes with all of the Themes.

Tapehead wrote:I tried out DarkAudaciy last year and the truncated menus were a deterrent.

Maybe you could persuade the team to take a look at the crowded menus in Reaper, FLstudio etc and then then reappraise the situation.

I think ultimately there may be some way to customise the menus. I don't expect to lever any more persuasion until 2.2.0 is released and we assess the wider reaction.

Tapehead wrote:Audacity's classic root menus are clarity and simplicity incarnate.

I don't know I would go that far. Some of those menus are long, so involve greater mouse traversal than we have now.

But on Windows you can also use the keyboard to access menu items, using ALT then the underlined character. What we seem to have forgotten with the current aggressive grouping is that you often now need an extra key press, one key press to open the submenu then another to access the item.


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Re: Audacity 2.2.0 alpha April 30th - skins

Permanent link to this post Posted by Gale Andrews » Wed May 03, 2017 2:55 pm

Tapehead wrote:Further to the above I just got a big fright.

The setting for the solo button in 2.2.0 is for "simple", and it changed the setting I

That change was made in 2.1.3. Typically we don't force a preference change or behaviour change on the user, but sometimes we do if we think the new default is the best for most users.

You can view http://wiki.audacityteam.org/wiki/Release_Notes_2.1.3 to see the changes that 2.1.3 brought in, though it does not mention the Solo button behaviour change, which was arguably an omission.


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Permanent link to this post Posted by waxcylinder » Wed May 03, 2017 4:14 pm

The other change that you should notice in the 2.2.0 alphas is that we have changed the default recording mode such that pressing the Record button or using shortcut R wil now record on the same track and using Shift+Record or Shift+R will record on a new track. Preciously this was the other way around.

Fortunately if you prefer "the od ways" in this respect we have just very recently added a preference which switches that behavior round the other way, so that Record records on a new track and Shift modified record records on the same track (append record).

In the latest alpha you should find this setting in the new Tracks Behaviors preferences pane (though note that we are still discussing where it should go - Gale and I are both of the opinion that it should reside in Recording Preferences - so it may well move in later alphas).

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Re: Audacity 2.2.0 alpha April 30th - skins

Permanent link to this post Posted by Tapehead » Thu May 04, 2017 6:54 pm

Thanks for the ALT tip Gale

Btw is there a keyboard shorcut to open the Effects menu, Alt +E opens the Edit
Menu. I already have many effects assigned to keys but I can't cover them all.

Gale Andrews wrote:What we seem to have forgotten with the current aggressive grouping is that you often now need an extra key press, one key press to open the submenu then another to access the item.


I made this point when real time effects were introduced and the presets were tucked away in a submenu of a menu instead of one click to open the visible
dropdown menu at the top and one click to open the preset. Plus many effects that had their own dropdown built into their interface, no longer did when opened in Audacity. Other Daws with real time effects don't suffer from this.

The solo button change initially had me worried because I often save a project with several SFX tracks solo'd and many others with similar SFX - potential rejects - muted (35 tracks on this project). Now I couldn't see which was which and thought the project had corrupted until I closed it without saving and found the same thing when opening another project. I'd never ever used the simple solo option so didn't realise until I looked it up what the cause was.

waxcylinder wrote:The other change that you should notice in the 2.2.0 alphas is that we have changed the default recording mode such that pressing the Record button or using shortcut R wil now record on the same track and using Shift+Record or Shift+R will record on a new track. Preciously this was the other way around.
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Thanks WC, glad there will still be provision for the seasoned option I always use. ;)
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Re: Audacity 2.2.0 alpha April 30th - skins

Permanent link to this post Posted by steve » Thu May 04, 2017 7:12 pm

Tapehead wrote:Btw is there a keyboard shorcut to open the Effects menu, Alt +E opens the Edit

Alt + C

The full list of factory set shortcuts (release version) is here: http://manual.audacityteam.org/man/keyb ... rence.html

Shortcuts for the development (alpha) version are subject to change: http://alphamanual.audacityteam.org/man ... _Reference
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Re: Audacity 2.2.0 alpha April 30th - skins

Permanent link to this post Posted by Gale Andrews » Fri May 05, 2017 11:52 am

Tapehead wrote:is there a keyboard shorcut to open the Effects menu, Alt +E opens the Edit
Menu. I already have many effects assigned to keys but I can't cover them all.

After pressing ALT, for whichever menu you want, look for the underlined letter at the top of the menu.

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Gale Andrews wrote:What we seem to have forgotten with the current aggressive grouping is that you often now need an extra key press, one key press to open the submenu then another to access the item.


I made this point when real time effects were introduced and the presets were tucked away in a submenu of a menu instead of one click to open the visible dropdown menu at the top and one click to open the preset. Plus many effects that had their own dropdown built into their interface, no longer did when opened in Audacity. Other Daws with real time effects don't suffer from this.

I recorded your complaint, but no-one else I know of has complained. This is what it looked like in 2.0.6:
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I guess the argument is that when we added user presets, we could not have those at the top of the effect as well, and we did not want to have user presets for some effects that otherwise have no presets (like Nyquist) but not for those that already have factory presets and import/export.

I think an answer could be to allow any type of preset to have a shortcut bound to it, and possibly (for GUI effects) add those shortcuts as a row of buttons at the top of the effect.


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