Gale Andrews wrote:With Nyquist, we can't do "bicycle in an aeroplane" - they have to be separate. Nor do I see how we can link from the simple one to the advanced one without using a significant number of words in the interface to do so.
I agree that until there is substantial development of the Audacity/Nyquist GUI, those options are not on the cards.
Similarly I don't anticipate seeing this as a built-in C++ effect any time soon.
I think waxcylinder's post nicely demonstrates a line of progression. Taking it a little further we could view the lineage in this fashion:
Metronome ---> Click Track ----> ???? ----> Drum Machine.
I like koz's suggestion "Rhythm Track", which suggests to me, something between "Click Track" and "Drum Machine". More options and more "advanced" than one would normally expect of a "click track", but not a full featured drum machine.
Metronome ---> Click Track ----> Rhythm Track ----> Drum Machine
There is clearly still a need / demand for a simple effect - something toward the left end of the scale, but with demand for features that would be found at the right end of the scale. If we want to continue adding features, then I think at some stage it becomes inevitable that we have two effects. From what everyone has been saying, I think we've reached that point.
Gale Andrews wrote:If we call the advanced one "Rhythm Track" it sounds a bit like a Drum Machine - but I thought we agreed we don't have a good enough Nyquist interface for that.
Yes it does sound "drum machine like", but not quite a full featured drum machine. If ever we do have a "real" drum machine, I think we should call it "drum machine", but I don't think that the Audacity/Nyquist GUI is up to that job, at least not yet.
Gale Andrews wrote:I would be a bit worried about users of the existing Click Track opening the new Click Track, finding it "denuded", then not exploring to find the bells and whistles version they'll be more familiar with.
I don't think that would be a major problem, given that the Generate menu is quite sparse. However we're running out of time to do anything for 2.1.3, so how about if we leave the slimmed down click track for 2.1.4, and prepare the way now by renaming "Click Track" as "Rhythm Track"? Given the small number of effects in the Generate menu it should be easy enough for everyone to find. To "justify" the name change, we could perhaps make a few minor enhancements to the current effect, such as adding some new sounds.
For the benefit of those that want a slimmed down click track now (and don't want to wait for 2.1.4), we could make such a version available as an optional download. This would have the added benefit that we could spend time refining the new "slimmer" Click Track so that when it is released in 2.1.4 it has been tried, tested and polished.